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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Blues_Cuda] #77382
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Here's the ones I bought....I'm not going to post ten pictures and there's no clear date on the box itself. Both boxes have shipping labels attached, one is date 1977 and the other 1980.
Either they came in both natural grey and a gold colour plating or I got ripped off

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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: anlauto] #77383
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They have the same part numbers casted as the ones shown above.
My camera sucks, they appear more gold in natural light

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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: anlauto] #77384
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Take note of the bottom corner of the door and bottom of the fender.

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Emergency brake cables...

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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #77386
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its amazing how you believe that service parts always equal assy line parts, they dont

case in point,, assy line park lamp housings gold. service park lamp housings silver

also, its very revealing how you believe the box is dated 7th month of 1981

not

the blue white + blue chrysler parts logo was replaced by the red/white/blue label long long before 1981, like in 1973

very very nice service parts, but not always the exact same as assy line parts

this isnt a knock to the car, its beyond words, its techniques + procedures + finishes are superb!!

just educating ya'll in reference to the parts

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Emergency brake cables...




That's wild how it has two different styles of cables...Again I assume that's how it was originally Is this common on 70's ?

Nobody else would have thought to restore it that way I'm sure...

Again Dave the level of detail is unreal


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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: Captain Flapjack] #77388
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this isnt a knock to the car, its beyond words, its techniques + procedures + finishes are superb!!

just educating ya'll in reference to the parts

peace + love




Don't assume those ended up on my Challenger!!!! Mine are NOS WITHOUT the Julian date marking that is molded into the orange lenses. (Thanks to Mr. Bruce Hershberger for that one!!!) Don't always assume that EVERY piece had to be gold colored to be factory correct. Until you have seen EVERY original car built, with every variation and vendor/supplier, that is a huge assumption to make! And based on what? Maybe 10, 15 or even 20 cars you have seen? What about the originals that didn't have gold coloring? Are they just another fluke find of mine?

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: anlauto] #77389
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Thats how they were Alan. I have seen more original ones with the different style cables than with the same type!

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Had to flip this picture up side down!!

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Hey Beast....just curious. Were factory assembly line 440 resonators welded to the head pipes or bolted on with clamps like the Hemi ones were? (Just wanting to make sure that some involved here don't hypocritically overlook their short comings while incorrectly assuming certain aspects of others.)

NOTE: Ignore how the resonators (head pipes) are not lined up even. They were not supported/held by the exhaust hangers at this point.

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This has turned out to be a very interesting and informative thread. My thanks go out to everyone who has contributed . That car did originally come from the Huntsville, AL area. A buddy of mine actually remembers taking it for a test drive
when it was for sale sometime around 1977 .

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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: anlauto] #77393
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Emergency brake cables...




That's wild how it has two different styles of cables...Again I assume that's how it was originally Is this common on 70's ?






Thats how mine was, Dec 1969 sbd , LA plant

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: ECS] #77394
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Don't always assume that EVERY piece had to be gold colored to be factory correct. Until you have seen EVERY original car built, with every variation and vendor/supplier, that is a huge assumption to make! And based on what? Maybe 10, 15 or even 20 cars you have seen? What about the originals that didn't have gold coloring? Are they just another fluke find of mine?




Dave, Have you seen originals without the coating, or was the coating just weathered off? (I'm looking for data)

Thanks for helping out with this topic guys! The gold coloring on the turn signal housings is usually weathered off. It is hard to tell it was ever there. I accidentally removed some of it with Tarn-X trying to clean them up. Paint Stripper (low odor aircraft remover) does Not harm the gold finish. The best place to find this gold finish will be under the factory applied reflective silver paint behind the lens. This area has been protected from the elements. Just apply a little paint stripper and then brush/wash it off to reveal how the housing was originally finished. Dave, since you have NOS units on the car, your originals should be available for experimentation? Anyone else, please give this a shot and post your results here. So far I haven't seen an assembly line piece without that gold coating.

We've already established that some of the over the counter parts came without the gold coating, so please don't use NOS parts for this experiment, Were looking for assembly line stuff here.

Mine has the gold coating. 70 challenger SPD 8-26-69 (Hamtramck)

Thanks Again to all!
Tav

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: cataclysm80] #77395
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Hi Tav. Hope you are doing well. I have seen three or four sets that appear to have been silver. (Same place where I located the hoods/original cars for research.) Are they worn off? I didn't think they were. I have seen inner fender side marker retainers also in silver. Most of those are gold however. Just when you think you have every answer, a sample pops up to defy all logic. I have stopped making absolutes regarding any feature about these cars. Since I have about 35 hours of work a day over the next 3 weeks, I think I will leave it to some of the others making the “absolutes” to prove their case on this one. Certainly it is only fair that I should not be the only person having to prove my points (constantly) as well as having to disprove every statement or “feature” made by others. Someone posts a gold picture; I post a silver. Who is right? Who is wrong? Neither I would think.

Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow! [Re: BigMoneyLewis] #77396
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We found that it ended up in that area but was not originally sold from a dealership in that locale.

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Just for the record, back in the 80's when Downer was THE guy with the NOS parts, I traded for a pair of NOS Challenger park lite assemblies for a Challenger I was doing.
He had no less than 10 NOS pair on hand at any given time, with correct 70-71 pigtail. There were as many boxed with the gold colored finish as there were with the bare finish.
We went throught them all to make sure I got a pair that matched, and again all were NOS in the boxes.

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Thanks for the info Dave. Anyone else find any (on cars) that were silver all along without the gold coating?

Since I've never inspected a silver one up close,... Are they coated in anything like a corrosion preventative, or are they just raw material?

Tav

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I wanted to say to Mr. Beast that I apologize for an earlier post I made regarding the parking lights in the valance. It appears that the lights I researched DID have traces of gold showing on them. I cannot say for sure if they all came this way but I am thinking they could have. I shouldn’t have come across with the “ax to grind” attitude but you would not believe how many anonymous messages I have received second guessing everything that we have done on this car. Again I apologize if I have promoted any information that was not correct and for the manner in which it was conveyed. Thanks for the input and please keep it coming!!

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Just double checking to make sure I've got this right. So Dave, we're back to No (0) known examples of assembly line turn signal housings without the gold coating?

Tav

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Hi Tav,
I have one set still in the valance and I cannot find one iota of gold coloring in the nooks or crannies. Steve checked his in his car and it HAD gold traces on them. I don't know what to tell you about this one. Different times of the year? Different suppliers? Same suppliers that changed their product to save money? Not enough info? Conflicting info? YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!

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