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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: Blues_Cuda]
#76887
06/23/08 11:42 PM
06/23/08 11:42 PM
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David Walden
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David Walden
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Check out the side of the block. I didn't even notice at first, but Dave pointed it out to me.
(On my computer, it is easier to see what I am referring to if you were to step back a couple feet.)
It is as easy to see as A C B! 
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: KISSAlien]
#76888
06/24/08 12:11 AM
06/24/08 12:11 AM
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David Walden
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David Walden
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Does your car have a 203 SPD?
If so, it is already in my database. If not then it would be the third EW1/V6B/H5B5 car I know about. The V-code car has a white vinyl top though.
You should not have cropped out the part that shows where the crooked tire pressure decal was! I recall that one of my good "friends" was upset that I had a quick response to someone else's question regarding the decal placements. This picture, taken over two years ago, was to make sure that the decal will be put back just as crooked and in the EXACT same place. It really wasn't that hard recalling a small aspect of the project that was so thoroughly thought thru at the time.
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: Blues_Cuda]
#76891
06/24/08 07:11 AM
06/24/08 07:11 AM
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Georgetown Ontario Canada
anlauto
I Live Here
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I Live Here
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What's the difference between this car and any other car that's been restored for OE judging?
Will this car score a perfect score?
Will this car set the standard for all cars to follow?
The drive and detremenation that Dave and Steve put forth on this restoration is nothing short of incredible, however I don't think it's any different than any of the other cars restored for this purpose? Is it?
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: Blues_Cuda]
#76892
06/24/08 09:16 AM
06/24/08 09:16 AM
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WI
RestoRick
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Check out the side of the block. I didn't even notice at first, but Dave pointed it out to me.
(On my computer, it is easier to see what I am referring to if you were to step back a couple feet.)
Here's one without paint:
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: anlauto]
#76894
06/24/08 10:06 AM
06/24/08 10:06 AM
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David Walden
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David Walden
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What's the difference between this car and any other car that's been restored for OE judging?
I don't think it's any different than any of the other cars restored for this purpose? Is it?
The black car we did three years ago scored 2205.5 out of 2250 which is the highest point total of any OE car to date. This car is about 100 times better in appearance and originality than that one is. On a personal note, this has been the most difficult projects I have ever been involved with in my life. I have went through 6 years of college on an MBA program and started a business where we had to go through the legalities of being licensed by Ford, Chrysler and General Motors. During the past 4 years we started a new branch of the company where we received Federal DOT/DMV approval to be the global supplier for replacement certification decals, for new vehicles within the collision insurance industry. (ECS VIN.com) Besides all of that it took approximately 10 to 12 hours a day of networking to find parts, working on the car with Steve and detailing everything to exhibit a factory correct vehicle appearance. Working with the CEOs of companies like Legendary Interiors (for one example) to reconstruct the NOS interior fabrics, just the way they were done by the original supplier, was common practice during this endeavor. I can accurately say that this interior is different than ANY other one that does not still have it’s original one installed. There are subtle factory differences that never make it into the regular reproduction designs. The paint job alone took a little over six months. A special spray booth with an air circulating filtering system had to be constructed in order to ensure a factory “orange peel” finish without getting any dirt in the surface. An original paint finish was not and should not be wet sanded. With a running total (so far) of about $230K these are just a SMALL number of tasks, within a long list of objectives that we had to deal with. I could go on and on but I have already written enough.
Other than that, it was just your normal - simple run of the mill OE type restoration Alan.
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: ECS]
#76895
06/24/08 10:56 AM
06/24/08 10:56 AM
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West Coast, CA
Troy
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Hi Dave....your mailbox is full. (Gee, go figure!!  )
....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: beepbeep]
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06/24/08 12:48 PM
06/24/08 12:48 PM
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71rm23
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Dave(ECS)- I could not help but notice the gasket like splash sheild mounted from the inside of the inner fender. Was this the way they were installed on the car? I thought they were installed from the outer side to allow easy removal for caster/camber adjustments. Just curious and always willing to learn.
Ron
The caster shields are the metal shields further in front.
No intention on high jacking this site but...Does anyone know where you can get the covers? I'm NOT talking about the metal ones. I need the same material for the clips to go into(flexible). They appear to be a mud flap material.  Anyway, I'd like to replace the ones I have.
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: ECS]
#76898
06/24/08 01:14 PM
06/24/08 01:14 PM
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Warrenton, VA
RoadRunnerJD
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Does your car have a 203 SPD?
If so, it is already in my database. If not then it would be the third EW1/V6B/H5B5 car I know about. The V-code car has a white vinyl top though.
You should not have cropped out the part that shows where the crooked tire pressure decal was! I recall that one of my good "friends" was upset that I had a quick response to someone else's question regarding the decal placements. This picture, taken over two years ago, was to make sure that the decal will be put back just as crooked and in the EXACT same place. It really wasn't that hard recalling a small aspect of the project that was so thoroughly thought thru at the time.
I understand recreating the originality but what would be wrong with some minor improvements like placing the decal(s) more neatly or as the factory intended even if the line worker did not execute the application properly?
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: Blues_Cuda]
#76900
06/24/08 03:00 PM
06/24/08 03:00 PM
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Posts: 11,854
Georgetown Ontario Canada
anlauto
I Live Here
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I Live Here
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Georgetown Ontario Canada
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Doing the math here....WoW..Are the judges ready for 220550 points out of a possible 2250? All kidding aside and certainly without disrespect the pictures shown here are not any different then others posted by people doing the same type of OE resto... at least on my computer screen...What I want to see is the MIND BLOWING stuff, stuff other restorers wouldn't even dream of doing..... Lets see the "grey dip line" throughout the complete interior...imcompassing the entire inner doors and 1/4 window area....Lets see the bare steel on the underside of the rear speaker shelf....The bare steel on the inside of the roof panel or behind the dash.....Come on.....DETAILS baby....LETS SEE THE GOOD STUFF  I love this detail stuff and can never get enough...Keep up the Great work Dave/Steve 
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: RoadRunnerJD]
#76901
06/24/08 03:11 PM
06/24/08 03:11 PM
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David Walden
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David Walden
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Does your car have a 203 SPD?
If so, it is already in my database. If not then it would be the third EW1/V6B/H5B5 car I know about. The V-code car has a white vinyl top though.
You should not have cropped out the part that shows where the crooked tire pressure decal was! I recall that one of my good "friends" was upset that I had a quick response to someone else's question regarding the decal placements. This picture, taken over two years ago, was to make sure that the decal will be put back just as crooked and in the EXACT same place. It really wasn't that hard recalling a small aspect of the project that was so thoroughly thought thru at the time.
I understand recreating the originality but what would be wrong with some minor improvements like placing the decal(s) more neatly or as the factory intended even if the line worker did not execute the application properly?
We thought the beating... I mean challenge, would be worth it in the end. Seriously, it really was a ton of extra effort to recreate the original status of the car. I mentioned in an earlier post about trying to sign your name twice the same exact way. It is almost an impossibility to accomplish that. We did our best however to follow the original patina of this car. Is it an exact to the most nth degree carbon copy duplicate? No probably not! Just remember that everyone here agrees that even the guys making these cars could not follow their own "signatures" every single time. Trying to do what a stranger/employee did 38 years ago is even more difficult. As I stated earlier, the paint job took over Six months to accomplish! At least 4-5 weeks of that time was planning and discussing what angles and amounts of coverage each area would receive. (We literally put back the exact drip patterns that we found on the underneath of the car! Trying to walk in the footprints of someone else's work can be very difficult.) Also keep in mind that once the actual spraying started, Steve would have just ONE shot at hitting the target. The firewall seam sealer was also a project in and of itself. It took about 1 WEEK, doing that procedure over and over until we got it to flow out just like the original pattern. As Steve worked with it we could see how it was reacting when applied to the surface. After about 14 tubes of the two part expanding sealer and MANY attempts....BINGO! It matched pretty closely. We are about 95% correct in reproducing this particular cars original features. If anyone saw it without the original comparisons, you would think that it was just a new car from that period of time. You have to hold the "before" pictures against the "after" or finished features to nitpick the differences. Here is the comparison example of the firewall seam sealer that was referenced above:
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