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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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03/20/09 11:10 PM
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Congrates, you're an asset to the Mopar community!
68 Polara 500...LL1 Y7 M6X
69 Hemi road runner...X9 X9 M6X
69 A12 road runner....R4 R4 M6X
69 ModTop FLORAL Super Bee...F
70 AAR 'cuda...EW1 EW1 H4X9
71 Duster 340...FJ6 V24 L6X9
71 road runner FC7 V1X M6X9
72 Rallye Charger B5 V1W
74 'cuda 360...KB5 V1X A6X9
08 SRT Challenger #234
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: mopargem]
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03/21/09 09:07 AM
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Wow, Congrats Dave. Well deserved. That break down they did is fantastic and confirms what kind of your you do.
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: AdamR]
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04/19/11 06:32 PM
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Please, please please do an A Body ! No one ever does A bodies this nice.
Did you ever suspect that you would be the prophet of things to come when you asked this in 2008?
Project Valiant Team
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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04/21/11 11:21 PM
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Team Valiant, You guys are incredible in all your efforts. The latest issue of Mopar Collectors Guide has an article by "expert" Frank Badalson. He seems to minimize the efforts on your Valiant because it's a slant six car. Additionally it says the valve cover gaskets are wrong, with his own compelling argument. He seems to just slam your work in a round-about way. Doesn't seem to be too positive. Since he owns a restoration shop, what is his motivation? 
If I knew retirement was this great, I would have done it first!
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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04/22/11 10:02 AM
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I respectfully disagree...I just read the article for a second time...This Frank guy makes NO METION of Team Valiant, the car they restored or the valve cover gaskets they used....
I don't see your connection...
He talks about his research and conclusions he's come to in his career, nothing else...
CHECK OUT MY NEW WEB SITE !
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: clownin mopar]
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04/23/11 06:50 AM
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Team Valiant,
You guys are incredible in all your efforts.
The latest issue of Mopar Collectors Guide has an article by "expert" Frank Badalson. He seems to minimize the efforts on your Valiant because it's a slant six car. Additionally it says the valve cover gaskets are wrong, with his own compelling argument. He seems to just slam your work in a round-about way. Doesn't seem to be too positive.
Since he owns a restoration shop, what is his motivation?
Interesting article
On one hand it advises " ..I've said this many times before - do your own research!. Don't rely on anyone to provide it to you." yet we are provided with many absolutes on what can and can not happen. It's interesting that a couple of the recent posts seem to shed different light on these absolutes concerning rubber valve cover gaskets. On the Valiant we have the car indicating it has a rubber undisturbed valve cover gasket, people who worked on the cars when new saying a rubber valve cover gaskets is correct, plus other documented cars with rubber painted gaskets - proof enough?
You be the judge and do your own research!
That's exactly what we did on Project Valiant. I was involved with the project from the beginning and took most of the documentary pictures and compiled a lot of the research information. I just looked at the picture folder for the project and it stands at 7,088
pictures and files. Some might say that's a bit extreme but it proved invaluable when documenting the car, reassembling the car and applying markings plus was a constant source of information.
Taking the time to document the car, allowed us to place the original bolts and fastners back in the original locations and clock them to the original position since we had done this level of documentation. This was carried through out the entire project on all components. Many of the pictures were actually posted during the project so everyone could follow along. The Valiant was a very visible project. You'd have to work hard not to know the project was out there, it ended up being a huge thread here.
When we get to the statement that " To the best of my knowledge, no one has ever spent time researching this about a Slant Six( rubber valve cover gasket)or a 318 car. Why would we? " Why wouldn't we - we're just doing our own research so we can end up with a product that represents what the car was like in looks, performance and even smell when it arrived at the dealership in 1970! This was uncharted territory since a slant 6 had never been to the levels we wanted to take it to. Besides the Hemi Cuda from 2005 and the 440 Challenger R/T from 2008 show winners are still in the garage and you want to improve your efforts.
We're also led to believe that when the slant 6 had it's valves adjusted it " probably " left with a rubber valve cover gasket. Possibly true, but what it didn't leave with was engine colored paint on it. It certainly wasn't on the gasket out of the box. The technicians are paid a flat rate as determined by Detroit based on a time study on the length of it takes to do the job. I spend 30 years with Chrysler reviewing, approving and adjusting warranty claims and I don't remember a technician ever saying that the warranty job paid too much. In fact if a technician would have asked for extra time to paint the gasket to match the engine on a warranty repair it would have been a short conversation. I'm sure we've got some techs who could weigh in on that one !
I don't think you'll see me on the soap box too often but this is one of those times. The bread and butter cars are what made the money for Chrysler ( and other manufacturers)and allowed them to have the image cars. How many times do we talk about how few or how rare a muscle car is. How often do you hear my car is 1 of ??? built. Manufacturers need high volume car lines to pay the bills. People would like to have an SRT 392 Challenger - fact is the V-6 Challenger is the volume car. Don't get me wrong, image cars are the driving passion but at the end of the day the you need the grocery getters to make it all happen. Don't sell their significance short. The K car and it's derivatives saved Chrysler in 1981.
I guess like the title of the article it's time for me to " Put a Cork in it".
Tom
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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04/23/11 06:48 PM
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Did hearing both sides of the story offend someone? Why the censoring? 
It is very sad when the truth is "censored" in order that someone's self serving reputation be preserved. Someone must have been irritated enough to contact the moderators and have the FACTS removed just to try and hide the articles incorrect (gasket) information. I certainly did not see anything wrong with Bob Conca's or Bill Rolik's posts that supported the TRUTH regarding engines with Factory rubber gaskets! Why was their non confrontational, factual input removed from the thread? What an insult to those two upstanding forum AND Mopar members! When did MOPAR FACTS become offensive to members/moderators of a MOPAR forum? Just remember that the truth has no agenda....it simply is what it is.....the truth! And for some who claim to be "experts" regarding documented Mopar facts, this should prove where their real attention is focused...........Reputation and Ego!!!
Dave Walden
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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04/23/11 10:45 PM
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Did hearing both sides of the story offend someone? Why the censoring?
It is very sad when the truth is "censored" in order that someone's self serving reputation be preserved. Someone must have been irritated enough to contact the moderators and have the FACTS removed just to try and hide the articles incorrect (gasket) information. I certainly did not see anything wrong with Bob Conca's or Bill Rolik's posts that supported the TRUTH regarding engines with Factory rubber gaskets! Why was their non confrontational, factual input removed from the thread? What an insult to those two upstanding forum AND Mopar members! When did MOPAR FACTS become offensive to members/moderators of a MOPAR forum? Just remember that the truth has no agenda....it simply is what it is.....the truth! And for some who claim to be "experts" regarding documented Mopar facts, this should prove where their real attention is focused...........Reputation and Ego!!!
Dave Walden
Not about preserving anyone's reputation Dave -- it's about the almight advertising dollar. Remember, money is the root of all evil. The corollary is that many times it's also the motivation for people's actions.
Don't let the Internet keyboard queens get you down Dave. When you're #1, everyone is nipping at your feet and trying to drag you down to elevate themselves. 
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