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The Mark Williams axle myth?
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08/06/10 08:57 AM
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Is it really true that Mark Williams axles will only fit in MW spools? I was thinking of getting a new pumpkin setup for my Dart but MW is $$$.
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Re: The Mark Williams axle myth?
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I think it's the other way around.........only MW axles fit MW spools. They can make axles for other brand's spool/carrier. You just need to let them know the spline angle and pitch diameter or at least the manufacturer. 
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Re: The Mark Williams axle myth?
[Re: Jacob Pitt]
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Nope, depends on spline pressure angles.
40 spline summers spool fits williams 40 spline axles.
Send parts in question to manufacturer to verify compatibility, or call them.
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Re: The Mark Williams axle myth?
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So if I had Strange or Moser build me a 3rd member my MW axles would not work? Or would I need to ask them to verify that?
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Re: The Mark Williams axle myth?
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Just get all Moser stuff.
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Re: The Mark Williams axle myth?
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I called Mark Williams several years ago to order some steel caps for the 8 3/4, I ended up asking them about their axle splines and why it is different. The rep I talked to said that they make both spline angles now, 30 and 45 degree 
Yes they can make it anyway you want it, there splines are different and the best.
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Re: The Mark Williams axle myth?
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From what I remember, most companies make their 35 spline axles with the Dana spec 30 degree pressure angle. They will cut either and ask what spool is used in your custom axle order sheet. 28 and 31 spline are 45 degree pressure angle across the board, not sure about the 33 spline stuff. Mark Williams is worth the extra cost in my opinion. I have had two sets of Moser axles now that required a " tweak" to get them too fit. If I wasn't a machinist it would have cost me more.
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Re: The Mark Williams axle myth?
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I have a mark williams 35 spline spool and i have moser axles. I had to tell moser it was a mw spool so they could make the axles to fit. They had told me the pressure angle was different in the spool.
Axles fit perfect when i got them.
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Re: The Mark Williams axle myth?
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I called Mark Williams several years ago to order some steel caps for the 8 3/4, I ended up asking them about their axle splines and why it is different. The rep I talked to said that they make both spline angles now, 30 and 45 degree
more info.
MW 35 spline 45 deg pressure angle is 3% stronger than stock Dana 35 spline 30 deg.
Put a Moser next to Williams product.
NO comparison.
MW and Moser are not even in the same leaque, not even close. Moser products are fine for lower HP cars, but are hardly "hi performance"
MW stuff is way more advanced...and way better.
I have a Moser dana 60 in my street car and my race cars have all MW. I wouldn't trust my race car and my life to anything less.
There a reason MW cost more.
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Re: The Mark Williams axle myth?
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I have never seen a stripped out 35 spline axle shaft that had adequate engagement, regardless of the pressure angle.
I have seen broken 35 spline shafts and twisted splines on every brand of axle, however.
Cass, my brother just purchased a rear disc kit and a set of Alloy USA 35 spline axles from you.
- What is your opinion of the Alloy USA axles compared directly to MW, Dutchman or Moser? I trust your selection, I am just curious.
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Re: The Mark Williams axle myth?
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I called Mark Williams several years ago to order some steel caps for the 8 3/4, I ended up asking them about their axle splines and why it is different. The rep I talked to said that they make both spline angles now, 30 and 45 degree
more info.
MW 35 spline 45 deg pressure angle is 3% stronger than stock Dana 35 spline 30 deg.
Put a Moser next to Williams product.
NO comparison.
MW and Moser are not even in the same leaque, not even close. Moser products are fine for lower HP cars, but are hardly "hi performance"
MW stuff is way more advanced...and way better.
I have a Moser dana 60 in my street car and my race cars have all MW. I wouldn't trust my race car and my life to anything less.
There a reason MW cost more.
Well that's because you are a real racer. I don't know of any high HP cars running Moser anything. I get crapped on almost every time I use the "real racer" moniker but real racers know what I mean.
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Re: The Mark Williams axle myth?
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Never found MW to have a performance advantage over Moser. I snapped the flange off a MW Dana 60 axle - called them and found a single axle cost more than a new set from Moser. Never have I broken a Moser axle, I can't say that about a MW. Maybe I'm not a real racer.
I am just thank full it was on the burnout, instead of on a full launch or at the top end. As it were, I only had to REPLACE a rim, tire, and rear 1/4 panel.
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Re: The Mark Williams axle myth?
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people who use the term "Real" racers are azzholes....... I bet they were "Real" racers from day one huh!
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Re: The Mark Williams axle myth?
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Never found MW to have a performance advantage over Moser. I snapped the flange off a MW Dana 60 axle - called them and found a single axle cost more than a new set from Moser. Never have I broken a Moser axle, I can't say that about a MW. Maybe I'm not a real racer.
I am just thank full it was on the burnout, instead of on a full launch or at the top end. As it were, I only had to REPLACE a rim, tire, and rear 1/4 panel.
Any other details about that axle?
Age, mods, beyond warranty?
Masterline or High Torque axles?
Thanks
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Re: The Mark Williams axle myth?
[Re: DoctorDiff]
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What I have is a 9" Ford with MW axles and I assume a MW spool. I have too much gear in the car and was thinking about getting a new 3rd member set up so I would have a spare with less gearing. The 3rd members from MW are $1000 more than Strange or Moser on comparable options. I was just curious to see if it was true that the MW axles wouldn't fit in any other spools. Thanks for all the info.
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