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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: 1969RR]
#759286
07/27/10 01:17 PM
07/27/10 01:17 PM
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Posts: 543
Indiana, Just Off I-70
BradD
mopar
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mopar
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Posts: 543
Indiana, Just Off I-70
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No, that early did not have the woodgrain in the recess. Are there any holes for the insert?
Brad
Dorn Autocraft
Check out the Dorn's 69 Barracuda "Switchblade" in the Nov.2010 MCG
Check out the Dorn's refurbished 36 Ford in the Feb.2011 Street Rodder
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: Dr V]
#759292
07/27/10 03:59 PM
07/27/10 03:59 PM
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Posts: 28,312
Cincinnati, Ohio
Challenger 1
Too Many Posts
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Cincinnati, Ohio
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Thats a big part of the car show scene. A whole bunch of experts out there that know a whole lot about nothing. Dont let it bug u. Better yet I love how everyone used to have a Hemi in their mopar at one point just like the one thats in mine. Sure buddy!! Wink Wink. 
A few weeks ago, a guy and his wife came up to me at a campground and was looking at my 74 challenger that I had with us. He tells me he used to have some mopar with a 454 hemi in it. I just smiled and said that's cool. It's easier nowadays to just listen and am glad people take a interest in my old car. 
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: 1969RR]
#759294
07/27/10 04:53 PM
07/27/10 04:53 PM
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Posts: 7,363
Iowa
burdar
Owen's Dad
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Owen's Dad
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Iowa
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Mine has the cowl "black-out" also. I wasn't sure about when this was done also.
1970 only
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: burdar]
#759295
07/27/10 05:46 PM
07/27/10 05:46 PM
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Posts: 15,487
Florida
scratchnfotraction
I Live Here
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I Live Here
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Florida
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can you post a pic of your 70 with the cowl black out? i wouldnt care if it correct or not...at least your in a mopar and not in a ferd or chebby the 454Hemi is a chebby thing  he ment to say..i had a 454 but could not afford a Hemi there is a reason a chebby is cheap you know... 
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: 1969RR]
#759296
07/27/10 06:17 PM
07/27/10 06:17 PM
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Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,216
Under My Car
Mopar_Country
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pro stock
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Under My Car
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Hello everyone! First car show out with the car and I hear this! My question to you...My car, a 1970 Challenger RT, fairly early build. October, 1969. I do not have the wood grain panel on the doors, they are just all black. Should there be? I've seen cars both ways. Mine does have the ralley dash. Thanks! Jeff
Well, if there is one thing I have learned while building my car is YOU have to be satisfied with what you have and no one else. My car is nothing special but I constantly hear what I should have done, or what they would do or that won't work and the funny thing is that some of these so called experts don't even own an older Mopar or have never had one that guy you were talking to probably came to the show in a K car.
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: Mopar_Country]
#759297
07/27/10 08:16 PM
07/27/10 08:16 PM
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Posts: 3,535
Canuckville
68Cbarge
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Canuckville
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I am in thhe hobby for fun.I like thing to look nice and not after a 100 point show car.
I am doing a C body so nobody really knows much about them or seem to care..
People like it for what it is--not it should be or could be.That is gratification in itself.
I had a super low miles 71 Duster.I got scrutinized everytime I showed it."When you pulling out the slant six and put in a 340??"
It had 28,900 miles on it and I had to change the tires,plug wires,heater core,radiator and muffler.
I got crap for getting rid of the original parts that were NFG.
I needed a reliable car,not a "survivor"
After three years of persistent offers,I sold the car to a guy who did a V8 4 speed swap.
I had a 70 Challenger R/T 383/727.
I was changing the thermostat in the driveway when a guy pulled up with his 16 year old son and whipped out his cheque book.He was arrogant and thought he knew everything about my car.To scare him off,I fibbed that that the 383 kept overheating and may need headgaskets.
Much happier with a C body.Instead of a know-it-all tell me about my car,I am educating others who are intrigued by my car.
'68 Newport Custom Barge on a Budget!! BOAB
1973 Satellite WAGON! 318- 3 on the tree!!
2008 Chrysler 300c HEMI!
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: 68Cbarge]
#759298
07/27/10 08:33 PM
07/27/10 08:33 PM
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Posts: 531
Charlotte, NC
Kowal
mopar
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mopar
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Charlotte, NC
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Once I had a Challenger that I had at a show. I went to get something to eat, came back and there is a guy standing over my engine bay. In his hand he has the caps from my Mopar reproduction battery. He says "you know, the vent holes in these caps are wrong, you should drill four concentric holes around the center hole to have these be more accurate." My only comment that I could come up with as my mouth hung wide open..."who are you and why are you taking my car apart?"
'69 Hemi Charger 500, ‘70 U code Challenger R/T (These and a bunch others at www.dkowal426.com) P.J. O'Rouke: "The old car ran perfectly, right up until it didn't."
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: SNK-EYZ]
#759304
07/27/10 10:40 PM
07/27/10 10:40 PM
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Posts: 4,793
Castlegar, BC, Canada
That AMC Guy
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Castlegar, BC, Canada
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I'm curious to see what these non-woodgrain doors look like. I can't recall ever seeing any! Does it have a standard or rallye dash?
Bloody Mary, Full of Vodka, Blessed art thou among cocktails....
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: That AMC Guy]
#759305
07/27/10 11:05 PM
07/27/10 11:05 PM
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Posts: 1,365
So Cal
GoManGo70Bee
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So Cal
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Yeah, I had a similar experance when I first took a car to a show. I was new, and I had just bought my Bee. Its a rough car but mostly origonal. A guy from a "expert" car club (the Mopar Knights) comes up to me, looks at my car says only one thing to me, "Your aircleaner is the wrong shade of orange, It should be Hemi Orange". Then walks away. No, hi, neat car anything. Not knowing I almost stripped it and repainted it. Luckly I didnt. Its got the origonal paint and sticker on it. That kinda turned me off to shows for awhile.......
70 Superbee 383 4 speed
70 Hurst 300
67 Dart sedan
74 Ramcharger
03 Hemi Ram 1500 4X4
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: That AMC Guy]
#759306
07/27/10 11:06 PM
07/27/10 11:06 PM
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Posts: 1,800
South Lyon MI
sleddinfool
top fuel
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top fuel
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South Lyon MI
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It is funny how some people "know it all" On my 67gtx I have a very different interior then all the other 67's I have seen. Now mind you, my car is by no means stock, but the interior has been the same since the early 90's.I have been told "is that a satellite interior?" NO I guess its not.. My door panels, seat package tray etc... all match and are dated I believe june 66.But nobody knows what they are from, lol.. Kevin
71 gtx.....
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: That AMC Guy]
#759308
07/27/10 11:33 PM
07/27/10 11:33 PM
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Posts: 17,516
Las Vegas, NV
6bblgt
I Live Here
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I Live Here
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Posts: 17,516
Las Vegas, NV
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I'm curious to see what these non-woodgrain doors look like. I can't recall ever seeing any! Does it have a standard or rallye dash?
early '70 model year non-SE door panels all looked like these (without the speaker  ) .....
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: GoManGo70Bee]
#759311
07/28/10 01:33 AM
07/28/10 01:33 AM
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Posts: 104,346
Garden Grove, CA
OzHemi
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Garden Grove, CA
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Yeah, I had a similar experance when I first took a car to a show. I was new, and I had just bought my Bee. Its a rough car but mostly origonal. A guy from a "expert" car club (the Mopar Knights) comes up to me, looks at my car says only one thing to me, "Your aircleaner is the wrong shade of orange, It should be Hemi Orange". Then walks away. No, hi, neat car anything. Not knowing I almost stripped it and repainted it. Luckly I didnt. Its got the origonal paint and sticker on it. That kinda turned me off to shows for awhile.......
Don't feel bad..the people in that club I met were idiots to me too..
When I first brought my Aussie Charger to that Main St. car show (a few weeks after first importing it back in '98) a bunch of them grouped around it, and started telling me what was wrong with it
I just asked them how many of them they had EVER seen a Charger before, and how they knew what a Hemi-6 even looked like..they just grumbled and walked away.
From then on, I only heard bad stuff about them from everyone else I came across...
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: 1969RR]
#759313
07/28/10 02:50 AM
07/28/10 02:50 AM
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Posts: 11,022
Farmington, CT
KISSAlien
I Live Here
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I Live Here
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Posts: 11,022
Farmington, CT
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Hi Brad! The interior was changed before I bought the car, but I thought early build didn't have the inserts. I did buy 2 perfect inserts, but then did some research and didn't think they were to be there anyway! Thanks!! Jeff
As Dan mentioned...
PS> If you're looking to sell the inserts you bought send me an email. )KGB68@aol.com)
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: KISSAlien]
#759314
07/28/10 10:54 AM
07/28/10 10:54 AM
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Posts: 509
Middle River, MD
Mapandjlp
mopar
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mopar
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Posts: 509
Middle River, MD
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We've all had our share of car show "experts". First local car show of the year, I pulled in, got out, and was getting my chairs from the trunk.
Now, my car is a '70 Challenger, G-code car, original 318 still under the hood but it's dressed up like an R/T. PLUS, it's got 340 emblems on the hood.
So, this guy walks up, looks at the VIN, and walks away shaking his head and mumbling something. Didn't say anything to me, no hello, nothing. I wanted to tell him that if he needed to look at the VIN to tell it wasn't an original R/T (no 340 R/T's in '70) then he's the idiot. But, I just let it slide...as always.
Bottom line, if you like your car, that's all that matters. Most folks are appreciative of the fact that these cars have avoided the crusher for 40+ years.
M
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: 1969RR]
#759316
07/28/10 12:41 PM
07/28/10 12:41 PM
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Posts: 1,592
Mansfield, TEXAS
JOES4FORTY
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pro stock
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Posts: 1,592
Mansfield, TEXAS
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I had Galen Govier say that the rear quarter reflector housing should be painted to match the color of the tail stripe. I have a first day of production car and mine is NOT painted. I think they look better painted to match the stripe, but some of these so called experts think it's all or nothing in their thinking. 
The GTS Registry!MOPARTS MEMBER IN PRINT 1969 Dart GTS LS23P9B (First day of production car money pit)
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: kdhull]
#759318
07/28/10 01:59 PM
07/28/10 01:59 PM
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Posts: 12,481
Chino Valley
RodStRace
I Live Here
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I Live Here
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Chino Valley
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None of mine are going to get that kind of response, but I'd ask the guy if he was handing out signed copies... "of what?" Of your book detailing all the exact factory build details.... 
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: Kern Dog]
#759324
07/29/10 07:35 AM
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Posts: 2,826
NY usa
540challenger
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master
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NY usa
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Do you think the Chevy and Ford guys have these same problems?
Yes they do. If you think the mopars guys are bad, the corvette crowd puts them to shame.
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: maundmotorworks]
#759327
07/29/10 09:35 AM
07/29/10 09:35 AM
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Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Chilort
Will Work For Mopars
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Will Work For Mopars
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Cookeville
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Anyone that gets up tight about different interior pieces, spark plug wire holders on valve covers, painted versus non-painted trim rings, exact color specifications, etc has multiple issues with which to contend. 1) They've likely never worked in a large scale manufacturing environment. While quality is WAY up from the 60s and 70s, cars still roll off the assembly line with mismatched interior parts. 2) Things like poka-yoke were not yet used in American factories. Assemblers were often left to their own devices. Ergonomic assembly processes weren't used yet either. So an assembler may have changed the way they did something from time to time just because their arm or leg got tired. Things varied from person to person as well. So this idea that they were all built the same is a pipe dream. 3) Anyone that thinks they can tell you exactly how every car that came off the assembly line was made has a big ego and a narrow view of reality. Even with all of our capabilities today mistakes are still made. There should be no mistakes if we have perfect control of the processes. Without perfect control, no one can be confident. 4) Mopar = Made of Parts Assembled Randomly. When one bin of parts ran out the assembler got another bin. Those parts may have been from another supplier who did things somewhat differently. If the assembler couldn't find the correct part he may have used an incorrect one or left it off depending. I love my Mopars but these experts need to get their heads out of the sand. If I ever own an old Corvette I think I'll install a 2.5L Turbo from an 80s Dodge and a Ford 9" just to watch the experts faces. 
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: badblack68]
#759332
07/29/10 07:44 PM
07/29/10 07:44 PM
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Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Chilort
Will Work For Mopars
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Will Work For Mopars
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Cookeville
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The looks and comments I get when the critics, oops, I mean experts look at my fendertag is priceless. I built it my way, for me and no one else.
That's great! A none of none!
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: DusterKrazy]
#759334
07/30/10 11:56 AM
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Indiana
Fury Fan
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I think a lot of this happens mostly to A-B-E musclecar guys. That segment of the hobby has always had an undertow toward reproducing parts, documenting survivor cars, determining paint dabs, what type of windshield washer fluid was used in which month of the year, etc. However, take a C-body (or other oddball car) to a show and several things happen: 1. The jerky 'experts' bypass your car completely. 2. The ‘researchers’ who are looking for specific details of your car, to assist their own restoration, bypass your car completely. 3.The people that *do* stop to talk remember the car they learned to drive in, maybe the car their parents had, or maybe they were those parents from years ago. Then they talk about life, not nitpicky car details. You’ll experience more smiles. The kind of conversation where you later think ‘gee, I talked to that guy for 15min but forgot to even ask his name.’
Last edited by Fury Fan; 07/30/10 12:02 PM.
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: 1969RR]
#759335
07/30/10 12:39 PM
07/30/10 12:39 PM
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Posts: 8,827
Houston, Tx
hemi68charger
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Posts: 8,827
Houston, Tx
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Ditto with everything everyone's said.. I've gotten the "That's not a real Daytona".. I blow them off or just ask them to get back to me and point out what's "not correct". I either never see them again or have a field day explaining the errs in their thinking.....  Then, I go back to my cold drink and chair...
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: 1969RR]
#759337
07/30/10 11:08 PM
07/30/10 11:08 PM
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Posts: 1,109
Hiram, Georgia
474218
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super stock
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Hiram, Georgia
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Hello everyone! First car show out with the car and I hear this! My question to you...My car, a 1970 Challenger RT, fairly early build. October, 1969. I do not have the wood grain panel on the doors, they are just all black. Should there be? I've seen cars both ways. Mine does have the ralley dash. Thanks! Jeff
It happens right here on Morparts. Several times I have answered questions and included a picture taken of my 63K mile RR, to show what it should look like. Only to have some so-called expert say that can't be right, because they know more about my car than I do.
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: 1969RR]
#759338
07/31/10 12:10 AM
07/31/10 12:10 AM
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Posts: 204
Panama City, FL
rickinpc
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enthusiast
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Posts: 204
Panama City, FL
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Your car could have come without the wood grain inserts or it could have come with them. If you don't have holes in the panels, yours came without them.
As for the "experts", ignore them. I have a friend in Dallas that used to say, "There is an ass for every seat." It is your car, the only thing that matters is that you like it.
Rick
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: gdonovan]
#759340
07/31/10 03:15 PM
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Posts: 1,255
Columbus, GA
Michael Ecks
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pro stock
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Columbus, GA
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Last time it happened to me I responded by saying, "yeah my car is a real piece of crap compared to others here." Then I looked right at his girlfriend and said "Good thing I have a huge c*** to compensate for it."
Seems to shut em up pretty quick.
"The happiness of your life depends upon the quality of
your thoughts" ~ Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius
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Re: Your car's not correct!
[Re: Michael Ecks]
#759341
07/31/10 07:44 PM
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Posts: 1,444
NEW JERSEY
dynamite
pro stock
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pro stock
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Posts: 1,444
NEW JERSEY
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I know how you feel...Ya know how many people at car shows used to have a '57 chevy just like mine ( pictured )well the fins are similar anyway
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The Vette guys are the worst of the worst by far! I found out in the past what they were like and I typically ignore any part of a conversation with any of them now. Know how many Vette guys I've thrown out of my shop over the years? All of them...
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