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Is 210-220 too hot for 440 Big Block
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my redone 440 gets up to cruisng around 200 and creeps into 210 whille in traffic. scared I will over heat but never has or hasnt puke up. some people say should be 190 ! others tell me dont stress it -Big blocks run hot. some goes up to 220 , not to worry so much. 230-240 is hot but not 210 , What is serious and what will happen if I over heat???! new aluminum 4 cylnders engines blow head gastket and possible damage. What about mt 440??????????????? i spend more time looking at my temp gauge than enjoying my ride... 
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Re: Is 210-220 too hot for 440 Big Block
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07/15/10 11:28 PM
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More info on what you have, fan/shroud/location of fan in the shroud/rad/wp
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Re: Is 210-220 too hot for 440 Big Block
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07/15/10 11:37 PM
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i'd prefer to see 195 degrees or less. the late model engines handle the higher temps much better with their fuel injection, etc. carbureted engines don't tolerate the heat nearly as good.
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Re: Is 210-220 too hot for 440 Big Block
[Re: 68LAR]
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07/16/10 09:20 AM
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others tell me dont stress it -Big blocks run hot.
This doesn't make it right.... Big blocks DO NOT run hot, unless your cooling system isn't up to par. Example, my engine doesn't go much above 175* even in traffic and 90+ degree days. I run a 160* thermostat, Aliminum 2 core rad.,clutch fan with a shroud, stock water pump. Nothing exotic.   
I agree, I have a sb and a bb both with stock cooling systems and they run 180 even at idle. At 210 something is lacking.
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Re: Is 210-220 too hot for 440 Big Block
[Re: RichV]
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07/16/10 12:48 PM
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Do you have an OE waterpump housing? Some of the aftermarket housings have restricted flow passages.
Hmmm... I am running into a similar dilemma. (sorry if I am hijacking thread)
Running a '69 440+6 which I recently installed a set of Eddy heads and .557 MP solid cam. For cooling I have a 440 source waterpump and housing, recored original 3 core radiator and an MP viscous clutch with shroud.
I do notice my temp climbs pretty quickly to 190 deg and starts to climb to 220 if I sit in traffic or get on it a bit.
A friend suggests running dual 10" electric fans because he said he had the same issue when he hot cammed his 440.
I'm also wondering if the location of the temp sensor means anything. It is not located in the same location in the stock housing, rather on a tapped port on the left sode of the engine.
Any thoughts? 
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Re: Is 210-220 too hot for 440 Big Block
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07/16/10 09:39 PM
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Sorry -worked late
here is info
stock Iron 346 heads. had 3angle valve job
Mild 440,.040 over, RPM intake,Comp XE268 cam,
KB Hyper pistons . Mancini alumin water pump housing, Mopar hemi water pump,stock crank,
71 Mopar 3core 26"radiator, stock shroud,Mopar clutch fan. 180 thermostat,
dynod at just about 400 HP & 500 torque.
aftermarket cheap temp gauge could be off.
that is what I have been thinking.
Since radiator never pukes out.
I dont really want to go with aluminum rad or electric fans if I dont have too.
does drop to 199 -200 when moving but starts creeping when in traffic.
i was thinking of just letting it go and see if it over heats or not\I also take off out of traffic before is gets over 210 or higher.
what do you think?
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Re: Is 210-220 too hot for 440 Big Block
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07/19/10 04:03 PM
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Not to start any arguments or anything, but how, or what determines "efficient operating temp."?
I've been using a 160* stat for over 40 years, with no adverse effects on the engine or oil. Why should I change if what I have works for me? 
I have to agree with the 160 philosophy... A stat does not regulate operating temperatures.. it only regulates when the water starts to circulate..
I run a 160 stat as I want my engine to run as cool as possible when racing.. but when driving on the street, the temp gauge will always sit at 180-ish..
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Re: Is 210-220 too hot for 440 Big Block
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07/19/10 05:19 PM
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I'm running a lot too warm on these hot summer days in Georgia myself. Luckily I've got an old school mechanic on speed dial (my dad). I've been throwing parts at my problem with little success. I've tried different t-stats, water pumps, fan clutches, different fans, and external trans cooler, adding a shroud, etc. My dad pulled a few tricks out of his hat the other night that I need to look at still. I don't have any kind of rubber or metal flap/guard over the top of the front of the radiator. I don't know if this makes a difference at higher speeds but at lower speeds it could be allowing hot air to recirculate from the back side of the radiator to the front (though maybe it could be a problem at speed too). He also didn't make his view of the use of infrared thermometers in automotive cooling systems clear until after I bought one. In his view, unless you have actual probes in the outlet and inlet to the engine you really don't know squat. I think you know a little more than squat but he's a black/white kind of guy. If a cooling system is working properly, with a 180* t-stat the engine outlet temp should never be above 180*, simple as that. You start going cooler with the t-stats and then you need more heat transfer capabilities.
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Re: Is 210-220 too hot for 440 Big Block
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A stat does not regulate operating temperatures.. it only regulates when the water starts to circulate..
Sorry but you might want to rethink what you typed there. A thermostat DOES regulate the coolant temp BY letting the water circulate at a set temperature.
I agree with the 160 degree stats aswell. I rather see 160 on the gauge then 190-200. Whenever the tempgauge goes north of 190 on hot days, I'm getting slightly worried if it might go any higher.
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Re: Is 210-220 too hot for 440 Big Block
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07/24/10 11:50 AM
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A stat does not regulate operating temperatures.. it only regulates when the water starts to circulate..
Sorry but you might want to rethink what you typed there. A thermostat DOES regulate the coolant temp BY letting the water circulate at a set temperature.
I agree with the 160 degree stats aswell. I rather see 160 on the gauge then 190-200. Whenever the tempgauge goes north of 190 on hot days, I'm getting slightly worried if it might go any higher.
The key word there is "operating" temperature.. If your normal operating temperature is 185.. 195.. 205.. or whatever.. Once you reach that temperature, the stat will not make the motor cooler.. with the exception of being a flow restricter to help slow down the rate of water passing thru the radiator..
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Re: Is 210-220 too hot for 440 Big Block
[Re: Todd]
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07/24/10 02:59 PM
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I added a bottle of water wetter and dropped the temp 10*. JMO.
that stuff works good. IO don't even use anti-freeze anymore.
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Re: Is 210-220 too hot for 440 Big Block
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07/24/10 11:57 PM
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A stat does not regulate operating temperatures.. it only regulates when the water starts to circulate..
Sorry but you might want to rethink what you typed there. A thermostat DOES regulate the coolant temp BY letting the water circulate at a set temperature.
I agree with the 160 degree stats aswell. I rather see 160 on the gauge then 190-200. Whenever the tempgauge goes north of 190 on hot days, I'm getting slightly worried if it might go any higher.
I used to think the margin for error was worth it but I now like the 190 stat. If your system is set up correctly, it will not go over 200.
It was 100 here today and very high humidity and my car ever went over 200, at idle, around town low speed, or on the interstate hogging the hammer lane.
i don't even have a shroud of any kind either.
The oil now stays much cleaner, I'm certain that the engine sees less wear.
The cool underhood temps actually caused a lean condition for my carb. It is an AVS so the 3 step rods are hard to come by, 20 bucks a set and it is really just a shot in the dark on getting things right w/o a wide band. So the hotter stat brought things in line.
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