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are you 100% positive they are real factory pieces from 1964 I am not going to argue with you or bash anything but just to let you know back in the 1980's they reproduced the smaller 1964 pipes with the crossover which is for a hard top they either used real 1964 flanges or had access to the mold to make the flanges also the pipes are smaller diameter then the 1965 Race Hemi ones. the factory didn't wield the pipes to the cast flanges and their is at least 3 other things I see that I question give me some time I will dig up pictures on a cd here showing some real factory pipes that are not wielded at the flange any issues. just so you know I own a real 1965 A-990 Plymouth and have been into 1964-1965 Hemi cars for a long time.

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are you 100% positive they are real factory pieces from 1964 I am not going to argue with you or bash anything but just to let you know back in the 1980's they reproduced the smaller 1964 pipes with the crossover which is for a hard top they either used real 1964 flanges or had access to the mold to make the flanges also the pipes are smaller diameter then the 1965 Race Hemi ones. the factory didn't weld the pipes to the cast flanges and their is at least 3 other things I see that I question give me some time I will dig up pictures on a cd here showing some real factory pipes that are not wielded at the flange any issues. just so you know I own a real 1965 A-990 Plymouth and have been into 1964-1965 Hemi cars for a long time.

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I am not positive on ANYTHING about these headers. I got them in a trade. I GREATLY appreciate any info on what I have which is why I posted in this section.

I do know that these were reported to have come off of a 64 back in 64 and have been hanging in a barn since. I was quite impressed with how solid the pipes were and with the factory part number on the cast section of the headers.
I do have a friend with a 65 lightweight Dodge and another buddy to parts for a lightweight Dodge, but I rely strictly on hearsay as to what is correct for these cars.

I will be quite honest, I am not looking for the next holy grail. Only trying to find out what I have and what is a fair market value. I have little interest in cars or parts of this age. ( they are too slow for my taste - 170mph and pull the parachute or stay home in my book! LOL) I do have a lot of knowledge on the 69-72 cars, but anything before 66 is WAAYY over my head. I don't want to price them where someone will buy them just to flip for personal gain.

I have had a lot of rare parts and cars in my 50 years, and would never knowingly sell something incorrect OR to intentionally sell to someone that does not appear to be interested in actually using the parts. I would rather sell these parts to someone that needs them, than to someone that thinks is a "deal" and can flip them.

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are you 100% positive they are real factory pieces from 1964 I am not going to argue with you or bash anything but just to let you know back in the 1980's they reproduced the smaller 1964 pipes with the crossover which is for a hard top they either used real 1964 flanges or had access to the mold to make the flanges also the pipes are smaller diameter then the 1965 Race Hemi ones. the factory didn't wield the pipes to the cast flanges and their is at least 3 other things I see that I question give me some time I will dig up pictures on a cd here showing some real factory pipes that are not wielded at the flange any issues. just so you know I own a real 1965 A-990 Plymouth and have been into 1964-1965 Hemi cars for a long time.

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Those are the real deal I worked on a factory A990 car and after seeing and installing a set of those you will never forget the look of them. Nice trade can the guy tell you where he got them.

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Can i add my to this posting about these superstock headers?
The ones that are in the pictures are the real deal. They are factory pieces, true and true.
I never heard of "reproduction" headers for those cars that might have been made back in the 1980's, but i don't know everything, and will admit to that.
Having said that, let me show you a picture of the system that i own.
I have had these parts in my collection for probably 30 years.
They have become my "coat rack" in the apartment during the winter months, so they are serving a purpose now anyway for me.
I also have the factory headers for this system but they are too far buried in the parts to easily get out to take pictures.
The pipes are welded into the flange, so i have no idea what the other poster is flapping his gums about.
Since these thing are so rare, i place a value on them on the higher side of $5,000.00 easily.

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look I said I didn't want to bash any one just questioned are you sure they are real like I said contact hemieddy in Michigan when I was looking for a 1965 race hemi headers he told me the best way to spot the more ready available 1980's repos are wielded cast flanges to steel pipes and the pipes were mandrel bent the factory ones are not in fact Eddie has real ones and a repo one. Eddie told me next to each other the repos are night and day different to the real ones. also I have a picture some where showing the factory ones compared to the repos and the tubes were routed different on the drivers side maybe for better starter clearance. why they chose to repo the smaller 64 headers with crossover I have no clue.

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The ones pictured are rare, but since not many hardtop SS Hemi cars exist, the correct usage of them is limited and therfore so is the value. Rare does not always equal valuable. Cool Yes.

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Sorry Tom, But I beg to differ here.

Slant six Chargers are rare and UNdesirable

Super stock factory headers are rare AND desirable

Even if every A990 car was accounted for and all had the proper exhaust, there will be some who will just want them for what they represent.

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The ones pictured are rare, but since not many hardtop SS Hemi cars exist, the correct usage of them is limited and therfore so is the value. Rare does not always equal valuable. Cool Yes.

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Sorry Tom, But I beg to differ here.

Slant six Chargers are rare and UNdesirable

Super stock factory headers are rare AND desirable

Even if every A990 car was accounted for and all had the proper exhaust, there will be some who will just want them for what they represent.

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If you read it agian alittle closer, just the 64 HEMI SS HARDTOPS use those pipes, no 65 cars and no lightweight cars. I know of 3 total, but I'm sure afew more exist.

I do see your point, someone will buy them because of what they are, even if they don't have the car. they are cool to look at and certainly a piece of history.

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I think what is pretty amazing is even though these pipes are extremely rare, between the set the OP owns, the ones Jim V. has and the ones I know about(and are only a few miles from my shop), we manage to come up with 3 known sets in this little discussion. How many can really be kicking around??

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I think what is pretty amazing is even though these pipes are extremely rare, between the set the OP owns, the ones Jim V. has and the ones I know about(and are only a few miles from my shop), we manage to come up with 3 known sets in this little discussion. How many can really be kicking around??

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I think what is pretty amazing is even though these pipes are extremely rare, between the set the OP owns, the ones Jim V. has and the ones I know about(and are only a few miles from my shop), we manage to come up with 3 known sets in this little discussion. How many can really be kicking around??

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Mike,

Are the ones you know about belong to J.K.?

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Can i add my to this posting about these superstock headers?
The ones that are in the pictures are the real deal. They are factory pieces, true and true.
I never heard of "reproduction" headers for those cars that might have been made back in the 1980's, but i don't know everything, and will admit to that.
Having said that, let me show you a picture of the system that i own.
I have had these parts in my collection for probably 30 years.
They have become my "coat rack" in the apartment during the winter months, so they are serving a purpose now anyway for me.
I also have the factory headers for this system but they are too far buried in the parts to easily get out to take pictures.
The pipes are welded into the flange, so i have no idea what the other poster is flapping his gums about.
Since these thing are so rare, i place a value on them on the higher side of $5,000.00 easily.

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...WOW, is that a set of 300 exhaust hiding back there!! I made a big mistake back when the Nat's were @ Indy. There was a set of those for ~700 and I passed.

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I think what is pretty amazing is even though these pipes are extremely rare, between the set the OP owns, the ones Jim V. has and the ones I know about(and are only a few miles from my shop), we manage to come up with 3 known sets in this little discussion. How many can really be kicking around??

MB

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Mike,

Are the ones you know about belong to J.K.?

Tom

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I have some installed pics I can post later if any one wants to see, also a set of NOS ones.



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Not to call you out on it but it seems pictures of the NOS set sure would answer a lot of questions.

No I don't have a car that needs them nor could I afford them but, cool is cool is cool.

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I have some installed pics I can post later if any one wants to see, also a set of NOS ones.



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Not to call you out on it but it seems pictures of the NOS set sure would answer a lot of questions.

Don't mind being called out, I just wasn't sure if anyone would want ot see them. Here ya go..

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These are also placed with NOS intermediate pipes, NOS crossover pipe, NOS mufflers, and NOS tailpipes. Please note that this dual exhaust setup is for the 64 HEMI HARDTOPS.

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When it rains it pours - Found another set of early 60's headers. Supposed to be "stock" Max Wedge headers.


Apparently setup to have both sides exit to the right side of the car.

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Sure seem like NASCAR/USAC header for a wedge motor. I don't have my Petty catalog handy to see if they ran one like those in 1974.

When they ran wedge motors in the mid 70's they ran MW heads I believe.

You need to look for some 62/63 engine shot of NASCAR/USAC Dodges and Plymouths.

Finding someone restoring a 62/63 Mopar Nascar is going to be tough though.

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The Hot Rod booklet that the articles came from.

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