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need help bench 4 speed b-body(71)
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07/08/10 11:39 PM
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for the people that have converted one over or has a orignal
i got the trans in (except the tranny mount) all the stuff i have came from a factory bench 4 speed car i put the hump down on the floor traced around it then cut the hole out i didnt cut out the brace for torision bar cross member when i went to put the shifter to the trans one of the finger is hitting on it is it spossed to be removed? trimed? or? also the removabe plate on the hurst shifter(you can pry one side and pop it out) does it go toward the front og the car or towards the back and does the reverse rod go on the longest finger or does first gear rod go on the lonest finger?
i know all of it is right as i had it all bolted up when i had the motor/tranny togeather in the garage but its been a year lol
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Re: need help bench 4 speed b-body(71)
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07/09/10 01:09 AM
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Reverse goes on the long arm of the shifter. I don't know off the top of my head if the removeable plate goes towards the front or the back, but you should be able to determine this by looking at the movement of the arms of the shifter and then mounting it so that it shifts with the correct pattern. I've never worked with a B body 4 speed, so I can't help with the torsion bar crossmember, except that I do know you don't want to cut through it. It could probably be notched for some clearance, but I wouldn't want to cut too much of it out without strengthing the remaining crossmember also. I seem to remember that there was a notch in my Cuda's torsion bar crossmember where the shifter went, kind of a wedge shaped piece that was removed, about a half inch or an inch into the edge of the crossmember, but it's been a long time so my memory is faded and I may be wrong about that. If my memory is correct and it is notched, I would have no idea if it was strengthened in the notched are either.
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Re: need help bench 4 speed b-body(71)
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07/09/10 01:21 AM
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the shifter hits the prob 1/4 to 1/2 inch of the crossmember i just didnt want to go messing with it untill i knew for sure would be nice to see a orignal car the shifter sence i know wich rod goes on the longe finger il be able to fig out wich side is front(or least should be lol) just kinda buggs me about the cross member as i had to stop right there till i know for sure thanks for your help ralph
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Re: need help bench 4 speed b-body(71)
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07/09/10 01:37 AM
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the shifter hits the prob 1/4 to 1/2 inch of the crossmember i just didnt want to go messing with it untill i knew for sure would be nice to see a orignal car the shifter sence i know wich rod goes on the longe finger il be able to fig out wich side is front(or least should be lol) just kinda buggs me about the cross member as i had to stop right there till i know for sure thanks for your help ralph
I wouldn't cut anything. I converted my '72 RR to a 4 speed with a bench hump. No trans x-member cutting was required. Shift levers didn't hit anything, rods didn't hit anything. Shifter was in correct location.
You do have the correct shifter adapter, don't you? Post some pics, if possible. The correct shifter adapter plate is a dog-bone-shaped thing with an offset bend in it, IIRC, to place the shifter in the correct location - which is sitting just about right over the trans x-member. I sold mine a few years back, so I'm going on memory. My car's now a bucket hump car, so pics of mine wouldn't help - sorry.
If a shifter lever is hitting the trans x-member, you might have the trans sitting too low. Just a thought.
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Re: need help bench 4 speed b-body(71)
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07/09/10 01:51 AM
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yes i have the dog bone and the shifter is above the crossmember i raised the trans all the way uo to the top of tunnel ( no mout yet) and is easier to get to stuff on top(inside)
if it matters the car has a 440 so dont know if a big block shoves the trans back any?? the motor is bolted in
its dark right now and it was starting to rain i may of had the shifter facing wrong way???long finger was what was hitting and i dont know if i had it toward driver side or passenger
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Re: need help bench 4 speed b-body(71)
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07/09/10 02:57 AM
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As long as you have a V-8 K-frame and the correct big block engine mount brackets everything should be located properly. It sounds like you once the tranny mount is in everything should be located (heightwise) correctly. Are you talking about the shifter rods hitting? Pics would help explain what you're having problems with. Is it the correct main shifter body? There are different ones, the linkage where the rods attach are different on some (some shorter, some longer). That might explain if it's hitting by the crossmember.  Was it a working setup that you took out of a car or bought elsewhere. Someone may have piece it together. 
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Re: need help bench 4 speed b-body(71)
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07/09/10 03:24 AM
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ok i found a old pic of when i had the motor out of the car (this trans has never been in the car) everything looked fine and worked ok but the bottom of one of the shifter fingers (the end of the reverse finger is what is hitting but possible i had it pointing the wrong way wont know till tomarrow if i had these pics before would of answered some of my own ?,s i cant tell but may of have the 1-2 and the reverse swaped lol  , 
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1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink)
1971 charger
2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red
2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi
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Re: need help bench 4 speed b-body(71)
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07/09/10 05:34 AM
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I found a thread on another website about the swap. Maybe it will help some, at least it shows the shift rods. http://www.roadrunnernest.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=7084&start=0As I stated before , I know there's a difference in the main shifter body. On some the reverse link is longer. It might be the problem. I'd verify that if you can.
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Re: need help bench 4 speed b-body(71)
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07/09/10 07:11 AM
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i have the correct short reverse rod for the bench/non console
i have the shifter and the mount off i can make firstn second work and 3-4th work but for the life of me i cant get the stupid thing to make the reverse rod i know reverse is to the driver side and up
1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59
1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink)
1971 charger
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Re: need help bench 4 speed b-body(71)
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the k frame on a 74 satellite is toatly differnt then the k frame in a 71 charger i havent been back under the car today to see if anything has changed but if nothen else cant i just take a hammer and bend it down the 1/2 inch??
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Re: need help bench 4 speed b-body(71)
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If you can, take a pic of exactly what's hitting so we can see.
Is the trans mount in now?
That way you know the tranny height is correct.
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Re: need help bench 4 speed b-body(71)
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i have a jack under the trans and got it lifted to bottom of the floor
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Re: need help bench 4 speed b-body(71)
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Just so I understand correctly, Is it a problem of the rod or shifter linkage hitting the body/crossmember? If it's all the way up in the trans tunnel It's actually too high. If the linkage is hitting something on the bottom (crossmember) something is definitely not right. (I know, restating the obvious.) If it's hitting the leading edge of the body crossmember it might need trimmed. too bad we can seem to get someone that actually has this setup to reply. Or is the shifter body/handle not going over into reverse to move the linkage? I can find all kinds of interior pics on the web, but so far no underneath the car pics. 
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Re: need help bench 4 speed b-body(71)
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if your looking at the fingers that are part of the shifter (not the rods or the square tabs on the tranny the rods go into the the bottom part of the finger (reverse) that is rubbung right on top of the lip of the crossmember i took a big cresent wrench and bent it down a lil and it helped and jacker the tranny all the way up and the shifter would work fine infact at one time i went threw all the gears and reverse then i was stuck and no matter what i did i could not get it to go into any gear again so i took it back off said some brand new cuss words and came into the house so lets do this the longest finger is the reverse correct finger in the middle is for 3-4 and the one closet to the driver and with the longest rod is 1-2 when the tranny is in no gear the 1-2 and the 3-4 squares on the tranny are they spossed be stright up? tilted a lil one way or the other? i think part of my probelm is i got the tranny stuck and i dont know where netural is here is pics of how i got the shifter and rods if i dont have something right someone please say so  ,  , 
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1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink)
1971 charger
2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red
2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi
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Re: need help bench 4 speed b-body(71)
[Re: Jerry]
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07/09/10 09:15 PM
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i belive the motor is where its spossed to be as my z bar lines up stright from bellhousing to the bracket on the frame rail what are you talking about reverse being up side down? 
Last edited by toplescuda; 07/09/10 09:16 PM.
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1971 charger
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