Re: K&N air filters
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06/27/10 04:50 PM
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I run a K&N filter in an 10" eddie air cleaner had it about 10 yrs now,2nd chrome air cleaner though I have cleand the filter 1x so far,it was running ruff in the am on warm ups and very caked up on the outside 5 yrs ago I picked up a paper eliment while the K&N was air drying for 8-10 $ I had to buy a paper filter about every 2 months then spent the 40$ and got the K&N I have bought 1 paper eliment since then,and will pick up another one soon so I can clean the K&N for the 2x saved a lot of $ if you ask me 8-10 $ every 2 months for 10 yrs...you do the math I have one on the K&N V-stack on the 440 in the sig pic,got it slightly used and is new so it will be a while on cleaning it I am sure I have oiled the sb one a couple times when it goes dry and grey on the inside..just a little oil around the top edge and it soaks and wicks down on the inside...needs very little oil unless its cleaned it drys out from heat and dusty conditions,it came with a 1,000,000 mile warranty so I waited 5 yrs to clean it,its due again I will go look and see if it has a part # on it,and i will check the v-stack...should be the same one as they are both 10" round.i post back later IIRC I got the sb one for a 225 /6 dart and it is just a tad smaller than the base and lid of the eddie chrome air cleaner
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Re: K&N air filters
[Re: MoparforLife]
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06/27/10 05:20 PM
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ok have some part #s sb K&N is A096A6 in the eddie air cleaner lid is 9 5/8" and the filter I got is 9 1/8" a tad small for it but works,you can see how much smaller in the pic I think the next one will fit better maybe
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Re: K&N air filters
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06/27/10 06:30 PM
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I get better mileage & performance through the paper element of the same size and no mess with washing and oiling. Went through enough of that BS with the old oil bath air cleaners.
For everyday driving I put any oiled air filters in the same class as Fram oil filters.
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Re: K&N air filters
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06/27/10 07:47 PM
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and another thing i dont wanta be harassed (because im only 21)
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only thing that im leary about is everyting spectre that i have ever bought doesnt fit...or work. it's like its only for chebbys....
spectre Is cheap crap that almost never fits right and ends up looking like hell.
You gone a long way to get the SS look for that car and it's looking a lot better than the last time I saw it in person. My would be go after something that would give you that same vintage look like it belongs there.
What did they use back in the day? Did they even use one
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Re: K&N air filters
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06/27/10 08:59 PM
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a stub stack with one of the wifes nylons streched over it is better than no air cleaner
Yeah, and it probably filters better
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Re: K&N air filters
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06/27/10 10:28 PM
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Problem with that is he's not married
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Re: K&N air filters
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06/28/10 12:42 AM
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Problem with that is he's not married
OK, an old pair of his Fruit of the Looms will work, too. If you position the fly on top, it will open under full throttle conditions.
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Re: K&N air filters
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06/28/10 02:13 AM
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I used to run K&N on everything. I can now say that you're not gaining much with K&N, in fact you're giving up quality filtration. Ever hold a K&N up to the light? See all the small pin holds that dirt can pass through? Now notice all the fine dust on the filtered side of your filter housing; not good. Still don't believe me? Take a look at the Arlen Spicer ISO 5011 Air Filter Comparison - link So you'll be better off with a good paper filter. By the way, Champion Laboratories, Inc. makes the air and oil filters for AC Delco. They also make the same filters under the STP brand you can buy for less at Auto Zone. Or another option if you want an even better filtering/flowing air filter over paper, take a look at Dry cell synthetic nanofiber EaAR Racing Air FiltersHint: Nanofiber synthetic air filter media is what the U.S. Military selected for the M1 Abrams Tank program.
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Re: K&N air filters
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06/28/10 09:40 AM
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I like K&N filters way better than paper filters. Cleaning is no hassle for people who aren't lazy. They make the pre-filter wrap for dusty conditions. They do make a 10" filter or really close to it. I used it on my old Duster for awhile. You can search K&N filters by size on their website. I'd suggest dumping the 10" setup and go with the K&N 11" Extreme Top filter setup if you have the room under the hood for more airflow.
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Moparless for now but when the opportunity is right I'll have another one.
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Re: K&N air filters
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06/28/10 08:07 PM
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the more dirt that cakes on the outside the finer the dust/dirt it filters with out decreaseing the air flow thru it more dirt caked on the outside = 1000s more finer air passages thru the filter media the air goes thru you cant see thru mine right now,thats for sure now if you let it dry out I could see it not filtering very well the oil is not gonna let any dust thru if it is kept properly oiled read the box on theory of operation on how it works,it is to be oiled more often if it is in a real dusty service area and heat will dry it out so it does need to be serviced from time to time where I am here in Fl we have lots of dirt roads and dust...paper filters dont cut it every 2 months and mpgs and performance fall right off on mine when the go from white to gray on the paper media which when I added it up was 100$ a yr x 10 so far thats 1000$ I would have spent...just on air filters... so 40$ on the K&N 1x and a recharge kit for 10$ 1x for 2 cleanings and 5+ oilings and it been 10 yrs now = 50$ I have saved a few bucks in the long run,IMHO to each his own,if it wears out from it not working I will build another and press on with the same 50$ worth of reusable filter agian just my worthless to all the K&N haters
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Re: K&N air filters
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06/28/10 08:14 PM
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if its hitting the hood when on the pedel might want to look at the moder mounts if it closes with out hitting that is
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Re: K&N air filters
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06/28/10 09:08 PM
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once you get the six pac on a hood then you can do up the 8 3/4 in the rear...looks like it sits high enuff
That is cool! lol.
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Re: K&N air filters
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06/28/10 09:19 PM
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I've been waiting to see this "gasser" for years now
Do I have to come out there and take the pics myself
As for the lame 4 door
Do I have to tell you again
Yeah I know, I'm not really a fan of 4 doors (or coronets for that matter) but you've built a killer ride there.
Still think you need to paint half the rear wheels like they did back in the day.
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Re: K&N air filters
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06/28/10 09:43 PM
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Aren't you glad I had the TALL jack stands
Thanks again for all your help
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Re: K&N air filters
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06/28/10 09:47 PM
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old one....
Anything recent?
I know you've worked on since right?
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Re: K&N air filters
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06/29/10 06:15 AM
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you cant see thru mine right now,thats for sure
now if you let it dry out I could see it not filtering very well
the oil is not gonna let any dust thru if it is kept properly oiled
read the box on theory of operation on how it works,it is to be oiled more often if it is in a real dusty service area and heat will dry it out
so it does need to be serviced from time to time
I encourage anyone running a K&N air filter to get a Used Oil Analysis done on your next oil change. If your air filter is not doing it’s job, you’ll see it in the motor oil.
Below, the comments of Certified Lubrication Specialist, George Morrison regarding air filtration.
Introduction: The late George Morrison, was a Certified Lubrication Specialist by the Society of Trobologists and Lubrication Engineers as well as the founder and CEO of AV Lubricants, one of the largest Exxon/Mobil distributors in the United States. During his 35 years in the lubricant industry, He worked with such industries as Aviation and Coal Mining assisting with their specific lubricant needs in which hundreds of Used Oil Analysis reports went through his hands a week. As a result, Mr. Morrison was an expert in lubricant and lubricant filtration.
Quotes by Mr. Morrison:
"From a lube engineer's perspective that looks at a hundred or so oil analysis results a day, I would highly recommend you or anyone running a K&N or other aftermarket air filter do an engine oil analysis to determine that the filter is indeed doing its job. I can easily spot a K&N equipped vehicle oil analysis results as in 90% of cases the filter keeps out bricks and birds very effectively but little else. The #1 cause of reduced engine life is dirt. The #1 engine oil alert I look at is dirt. One teaspoon of dirt will destroy a large V-16 CAT engine.. i.e. we need to make sure we have the best filter media, tightest induction system possible to ensure maximum engine life. If you look at a K&N filter you can see through the medium very easily. Supposedly the 'tackifier' grabs the incoming dirt particles. Visualize a dirt particle approaching the filter medium at 100+ MPH: there is NO oil, no tackifier that is going to reach out and capture that particle. Filter face impact velocity is just too great."
"Regarding the "easy 10 hp increase", I would be wary of the claim. A recent VW TDI dyno day revealed that the highest horsepower developed at the rear wheels was for a TDI equipped a paper, OEM equipped VW vs. the foam/paper/K&N, snorkled VW's."
"If you have single digit silicon and low wear metals with your oil analysis results, you are about as good as it gets! That is a general target for dirt: i.e. single digits. If you have this with spectro, you have excellent air filtration with no induction leaks. As for recommendations, I suggest name brand/OEM paper. If a person wants to try another, do an oil analysis with quality paper, then another oil analysis, with particle count, for the aftermarket. This will give a complete picture of exactly how the aftermarket is doing."
Summary: As stated above, Used Oil Analysis is the real world test which proves OR disproves the as advertised filter efficiency claims.
Source cited: Click HERE
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Re: K&N air filters
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06/29/10 07:19 AM
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The KN filter was originally invented in 1964 for SCCA weekend track racing by Ken Johnson and Norm McDonald, where many were previously running without any air filter protecting the engine, and the oiled cotton gauze was a slightly better choice... the lesser of two evils. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4078/is_200402/ai_n9350913/Ken and Norm later sold out for a small fortune in the 1990s. When totally new and clean, but without excessive oil, the KN may have about 2 to 3 inches of water restriction less, but that it out of about atmosphere all around us total pressure of 404 inches of water pressure. The Spicer web report previously posted above has good graphs showing this, but also shows how quickly the KN clogs up, and it lesser particle trapping efficiency. For daily driving use shouldn't the restriction of a filter be measured out at 5000 to 10000 miles? Shouldn't you be more interested in the 'real world' restriction during most of the time your engine is 'feeling it' and not just when new?
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Re: K&N air filters
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06/29/10 05:02 PM
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The KN filter was originally invented in 1964 for SCCA weekend track racing by Ken Johnson and Norm McDonald, where many were previously running without any air filter protecting the engine, and the oiled cotton gauze was a slightly better choice... the lesser of two evils.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4078/is_200402/ai_n9350913/
Ken and Norm later sold out for a small fortune in the 1990s.
When totally new and clean, but without excessive oil, the KN may have about 2 to 3 inches of water restriction less, but that it out of about atmosphere all around us total pressure of 404 inches of water pressure.
The Spicer web report previously posted above has good graphs showing this, but also shows how quickly the KN clogs up, and it lesser particle trapping efficiency.
For daily driving use shouldn't the restriction of a filter be measured out at 5000 to 10000 miles? Shouldn't you be more interested in the 'real world' restriction during most of the time your engine is 'feeling it' and not just when new?
Thanks for the info. Great article, great information!
Fortunately for K&N, people still love and use them despite the increasing mountain of data against them.
But hey! Cutting edge 1960s air filter technology on your 1960s Mopar, why not!?!
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