well if there is no slander than DAMM THE TORPEDOES , FULL SPEED AHEAD ...

One again i'm with mike. There are exceptions to libel (this is libel it is print). One being that if you cast yourself into the public eye. He did this by posting his BS on his site, so let him threaten nothing will come of it except more loss of business for him.

He truely is a moron, I mean what kind of idiot writes BS like that. He picked the WORST business to do it with too, he does realize this is the MOPAR hobby doesn't he? We're known for having tight-nit groups, everyone knows everyone kind of stuff. Not only has he lost the potential customers of this site, but no doubt other mopar sites, and also all the FRIENDS of the people on these sites. I personally know a number of mopar guys that ask me for engine building advice, what parts to use etc. We were actually considering one of his cams for my friends stroker 340 build, we decided not to and now his company will never even come to mind when I get asked.

I for one am so pissed about this i'm going to make room for him in my signature, I think it would be nice if we all could .

P.S Great idea Pete, I'll co-sign that card .

Libel? Slander? Can't be either if it's Public Record made so by the very same person, on his Co. website, inviting the whole world to see and read.
Open Mouth, Insert Foot, deflate EGO and Wallet. Nuff said.

well i'm glad this post is back.... i wonder if this post will go further then the 100 or 400 post about nothing....lol.

I just want to say, so Dave can read it, that I really like their 1.55 rockers and was saving up for them. Based on Dave's rant, forget it. I'll get some rockers somewhere else. BTW Dave, when I talked to you about getting one of your cams, you ended up talking me out of one and into a CompCam! Dave seemed unwilling to help me. Way to go Dave. You need to learn a little PR.

I too never saw any blame from the EM team placed on Hughes concerning the cam.

it didnt cost him a dime to help,its gonna cost him more than that to be a wenis!!!!

If I have a chance to give my hard-earned money to a vendor that treats me with respect and courtesy, I will do that. Be a jerk to me and/or my community...good luck to you, but you aren't going to see a dime from me.

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i had every intention of getting this thing back together and on the dyno again ... now , why even bother , to praise this engine anymore with his cams would be pointless ...

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Get it together with another manufacturer's cam, put it on the dyno and make more power, and post the results.

word of mouth is a powerful thing
i am no expert on this subject by no means , but i do understand the fact that the EM builders basically got their feelings hurt by the unnessacary comments by hughs . well in all honesty i could really care less what happened or what was said by who(m) it doesnt effect me in the least bit .
that being said
this board is kinda like a family you guys are
kinda like brothers SO if my brothers dont like you i dont like you . and since so many here feel so strongly about it I GOT YOUR BACK!!!
I WONT USE ANY hughs STUFF EITHER
PEACE OUT

"Please note, if you have purchased parts from Summit, PAW, Jegs, etc. and have questions or problems with them, call them, not us. They owe you the information, they took your money, not us. We will be happy to help you with parts you purchased from us. We realize that they cannot help you, but you made the decision to buy from them, so you must live with the problems.

isnt he pretty much saying that all of the aforementioned businesses are also "amatuers" and "students"???....hmmmmm...wonder if Jegs, Summit, and PAW have seen this little tidbit of info yet?...if not maybe they should

i had no horse in the race for the EMC...but i do have respect for the members associated with it...anyone that can build an engine that gives the "pro's" a run for their money has to be more than just a common "amatuer"

Keith

Well I haven't been following this engine master thing so I can't comment..but what I can say is I have used Engle cams on and off for over 15 years and never had one fail..yes they were his fast rate grinds..I'd sooner use an Engle cam than a purple or MP cam...and Hughes buys his cams from Jack..so if you completely disallow these fast rate cams that Hughes is selling I think your going to miss out on some good grinds...Because an Engle fast rate cam is LIGHT YEARS ahead of those old MP cams..IMO Engle fast rate cams are worth a look...

it's just too bad that this had to happen...everyone looses

I was planning on using hughes equipment, but not anymore. He Ticked me off by those comments and will not be getting any of my amatuer student money. Afterall it appears amateur student money isnt the same nor are we as intellegent.

DAVE

JohnRR,

Maybe we could get with Scott Brown and get one of his camshafts in the engine then you can dyno it and see what the engine makes.

I also would like to give great thanks to the EMC team members, I read all the hard work you guys did and I think you guys did great!!!!

Wow, I just saw this thread; read Hughes' screed, which I found to be totally unfounded. The only thing I can remember being said was "Dave may be getting a bunch of cams back" referring to the agressive profiles being unable to tolerate out of whack lifter bores, which are somewhat common on our BB's. Maybe he's now getting a bunch of them back? Flying off the handle like that is pretty self destructive, IMO.

Wow - this guy really shot himself in the foot didn't he???

I too had been at the receiving end of Hughes engines gruff phone personality. I just chalked it up to someone having a bad day.

Until it happened again the next time I called with questions....at that point I decided not to be a customer of theirs. A purely personal decision.

I never really followed the EM thing while lurking either, partly because it had little to do with my area of interest & partly because I really do not care for PHR magazine. But yeah - it seems some of his comments are uncalled for.

However, I can't understand why so many of you take issue with this:

[ Please note, if you have purchased parts from Summit, PAW, Jegs, etc. and have questions or problems with them, call them, not us. They owe you the information, they took your money, not us. We will be happy to help you with parts you purchased from us. We realize that they cannot help you, but you made the decision to buy from them, so you must live with the problems. ]

I am in a specialised industry as well & we keep a policy similar to the one above. Too many times, we get calls/emails from customers who access our knowledge base & then take it to purchase the products from the discounters. IMO, if you have no intention of buying the item from me, you have no right to my knowledge of said product. Sad truth is - it's easier to be cheaper when your staff is made up of minimum - wage flunkies with no first-hand knowledge.

Any way - I am waaaaayyyy off topic here, so to put things back on the rails - I will state that I shall never purchase a Hughes product either. But I had already made that decision a few years ago.