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Where to install vacuum pump fitting on valve cover ?? #699446
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Just ordered a new Star vacuum pump and wondering where you guys mount your fittings on the valve cover?

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Arnie


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Re: Where to install vacuum pump fitting on valve cover ?? [Re: cudabin] #699447
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Re: Where to install vacuum pump fitting on valve cover ?? [Re: cudabin] #699449
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Target the rocker hold-down area...mimic the factory breather location.

Re: Where to install vacuum pump fitting on valve cover ?? [Re: HardcoreB] #699450
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Me, I'd put it towards the front of the motor, opposite bank as the breather, to get some crossflow, and a baffleplate inside of the valvecover to dampen the direct pull of windage near it. If you're running a breather on each valvecover, I'd try to put a vacuum pump fitting at the opposite end of each valve cover.


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IMO you are gonna need to install it in the center of the valve cover toward the intake. Use the Star baffle and put it dead center on the center rocker hold down. Trust me we tried it a few places and this was the best location that picked up the least oil.

You can see mine on the drivers side cover, as well as the other places we have tried here.


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Re: Where to install vacuum pump fitting on valve cover ?? [Re: HardcoreB] #699452
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Quote:

Target the rocker hold-down area...mimic the factory breather location.




This is pretty much the way I do it... over top of
the wide rocker shaft hold down towards the front of
the cover... that area gets the least amount of oil

Re: Where to install vacuum pump fitting on valve cover ?? [Re: Ari440] #699453
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Ari440, How much oil do you get in the puke tank after a run with the fitting on top?

I have a baffle under the breather hole in the same location as Ari on my Indy valve covers, so I will try that first before drilling new holes...

Thanks,

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Re: Where to install vacuum pump fitting on valve cover ?? [Re: cudabin] #699454
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Quote:

Ari440, How much oil do you get in the puke tank after a run with the fitting on top?

I have a baffle under the breather hole in the same location as Ari on my Indy valve covers, so I will try that first before drilling new holes...

Thanks,




I get less then 1/4 of oil in the tank

my regulater is setup at 12 pounds of vacume

I have no baffle in the valve cover but use the a fitting thats drilled holes all around it

also im useing regluar molley rings 1/16





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Re: Where to install vacuum pump fitting on valve cover ?? [Re: Ari440] #699455
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Ari440,

Do you mean 1/4 of the tank per pass? how big is the puke tank??

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woody how did you fasten down that carb screen. thx


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its a small tank

at E TOWN I get about two passes and im done for the day

I got a long way to go home




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FWIW I get maybe a 1/2 ounce per pass of milky mix.


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When are you going to make a pass with all those new parts on the Cuda ? was perfect weather for the season opener in Medicine Hat last weekend ! Car should work great l look forward to a hearing about your progress.

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Re: Where to install vacuum pump fitting on valve cover [Re: Edge] #699460
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Hi Edge,

I pick up the Star vacuum pump kit on May 27th and will install that weekend to be ready to rock the first weekend in June!!!

That is if I get the motor in and everything else hooked up by then.

I made 900HP after all but it needed the vacuum pump to seal the rings...

I am going to try it like Ari has it and see what happens.

Cheers,

Arnie


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woody how did you fasten down that carb screen. thx





I never got around to that...I just place it on there when I have the hood off...keeps the bugs out..

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whats your combo for 900 hp

if you dont mind


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Quote:

Arnie

whats your combo for 900 hp

if you dont mind




Here is the thread from my dyno time with combo listed:

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1

Cheers,

Arnie


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well I need to try a different pick up location, as it is pulling 10 ounces out in a 1/4 pass and the Moroso puke tank is blowing oil out the breather making a mess...

Going to try it in the front face of the VC like Woody has his.

My Injected methanol motor is making some serious power, but the oil hassle needs to go!!!

Any other ideas?

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from the front of the valve cover.

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Thanks WESW,

I notice you have it closer to the intake on the front of the Valve Cover, than the exhaust. Any logic to that?

I have the Star fitting that is open on one side only. I am assuming it should face down for the opening??

Thanks,

Arnie


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you may also want to weld in a bung for a vacuum gauge like i have...

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where you guys mount your fittings is less important than how effective the baffle is. It must completely obscure (mask) the opening from line-of-sight, and not drain into the aperture path. If there's room, a labyrinth is better.


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I am pulling vacuum from a moroso breather AND I have a full size baffle under it as well. I hope this works (I think it will).

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Quote:

Thanks WESW,

I notice you have it closer to the intake on the front of the Valve Cover, than the exhaust. Any logic to that?

I have the Star fitting that is open on one side only. I am assuming it should face down for the opening??

Thanks,

Arnie




it does face down. it pulls from the bottom of it inside the valve cover. my vaccum line for the gauge and racepak is on the back side of the other valve cover.


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I have the star pump and tank on my injected alky sb. I installed the pickup in the very front of my valve cover as per stars instructions and even with the topend restricted it would fill the tank and pump with oil every pass. With the star pump you cant have ANY oil in the pump or it wont pull vacuum. I just last weekend installed the pickup over the second large rocker holdown at the front of the motor and this solved the issue all together for me.

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I am running individual shaft mount Jesel Pro rockers with pushrod oiling, so maybe thats why the top of the vc is not working for me?

If the Star pump does not pull vacuum with oil in it, then why does mine continue to pull oil into the tank every run?

Please educate me as this is driving me nuts cleaning oil off the motor every pass...

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I took my vacuum pump off years ago and kicked a field goal with it ,, never again.
I built a puke tank that never slobbers or even gives off a the slightest bit of oil vapor.

Get your car to 180 and don't bother with the messy vac pump.



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Quote:

I am running individual shaft mount Jesel Pro rockers with pushrod oiling, so maybe thats why the top of the vc is not working for me?

If the Star pump does not pull vacuum with oil in it, then why does mine continue to pull oil into the tank every run?

Please educate me as this is driving me nuts cleaning oil off the motor every pass...

Thanks,

Arnie




are you using the Star tank?


and Star fitting ?



if not the pump is not being used properly. STAR does not even stand behind the pump when used witout the cannister. That pump is to be run dry and not see any oil at all.
the baffle placement is your problem

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*Oil in the Pump:
The Pump is a “OIL-LESS” design, which requires NO LUBRICATION for operation. Oil in the Pump will not damage the Pump,
however it will reduce its performance. The dryer you can keep this Pump, the better it will work! The use of a baffle is mandatory!
This may require several modifications to the location and design of the baffle you draw vacuum from. How will you know if oil is in
the pump? If you use clear hose and the hose shows signs of oil in it, the oil will be in the Pump also. If you remove the belt from the
Pump and spin it by hand and you do not hear the vanes tapping (as they are flung from the rotor) you have oil in the Pump. To clean
the oil from the Pump, remove the hose from the intake side of the Pump and spray nonflammable (environmentally safe) solvent into
the intake tube with the engine running. Mind the Pump exhaust when doing this! You should make this part of your usual race car
maintenance.
Excessive oil in the pump is usually a clear indication of a failed seal or gasket. STAR Machine has a tank available that combines an
oil separator/filter and an exhaust tank in one unit, Part #02.09.000. STAR Machine will warranty this Pump for one year only when
used in conjunction with this tank.




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Take this advice....avoid the Moroso breather tank at all costs...that thing will see more puke than a 17 year old keg party LOL..


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Hey Fred,

Yes to the Star fitting, No to the Star tank...

It is not a money thing, it is just that I was told the Star tank did not work well with Alum block, big cube Methanol injected motors.

Seems like the moroso tank does not have many fans either, but I will just have to try a different pick up spot.

Thanks,

Arnie


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