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Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: Challenger 1] #685503 05/06/10 07:30 AM 05/06/10 07:30 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 843 Suffolk,VA I ireland383 super stock
ireland383 super stock I Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 843 Suffolk,VA	I posted earlier that I run the Cat housing which is identical to the Source one. Yes I noticed one passage was smaller next to my stock housing. I cant get my car above 175 degrees even in traffic on a 95 degree day. This is with a Napa replacement pump.

Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: ireland383] #685504 05/06/10 08:05 AM 05/06/10 08:05 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,503 NJ 4 440challenger master
440challenger master 4 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,503 NJ	I run a cat housing on my challenger and have no problems. I am going to try swaping the 180 stat first to a 160. I really hate to change the housing. Its deffiently something with the setup becuase i followed my dad with my roadrunner (383 iron heads,pump/housing,no shroud) and i ran 170 the whole way down at 3,100 rpm. waiting on my new timing light to come so i can see where were at. also going to pull the plugs. I'll keep updating.

Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: maundmotorworks] #685505 05/06/10 12:41 PM 05/06/10 12:41 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,466 Answering the call of the wild T ThermoQuad top fuel
ThermoQuad top fuel T Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,466 Answering the call of the wild	A 160 or 180 degree thermostat is too cold for today's gasoline. 200 degree operating temp is not I repeat is not hot!! Below 190 degrees operating temp fuel collects inside the intake manifold and burns off as you go down the road in the cruise mode, eventually making the car lean...This is not seat of the pants science but results from analyzing the information from a wide band LM1 air-fuel meter on more than several cars. Low operating temps contaminate the oil quicker as well...As always the disclaimer: it's your car so do what you want and ignore good information. As to the OP's problem, it's more than likely the hardware from our good friends at the 440 source where money rules first and quality products for the customer second. Flow schmow, explain how a restriction in a place where that factory has none is not a problem. The restricted passage is not correct so stop trying to sell us idiots on it. Those of you who will accept mediocrity where excellence is required the offshore product will work "good enough"...

Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: Challenger 1] #685506 05/06/10 01:41 PM 05/06/10 01:41 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,943 San Angelo, Texas, U.S.A. 1968RR top fuel
1968RR top fuel Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,943 San Angelo, Texas, U.S.A.	Quote: Isn't there guys here running the Source housing without overheating issues? I have a 440 Source pump that I use with a stock housing, and I haven't had any issues with my .055" over and 11.5:1 compression engine. Then again I don't take the car on any 500-mile road trips. "When I'm in a slump, I comfort myself by saying if I believe in dinosaurs, then somewhere, they must be believing in me. And if they believe in me, then I can believe in me." - Mookie Wilson

Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: 1968RR] #685507 05/06/10 06:05 PM 05/06/10 06:05 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,295 dark side of the moon D Dougsmopars OP top fuel
Dougsmopars OP top fuel D Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,295 dark side of the moon	Installed the Milodon pump and temp droped 20 to 30 degree's. The 440 source pumps are junk. Even worse when used with there houseing. Cars runs at 185 steady now 190 in stop and go traffic. Now when you rev it up a bit you can see the water really moving in the rad.

Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: Dougsmopars] #685508 05/06/10 06:36 PM 05/06/10 06:36 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: Installed the Milodon pump and temp droped 20 to 30 degree's. The 440 source pumps are junk. Even worse when used with there houseing. Cars runs at 185 steady now 190 in stop and go traffic. Now when you rev it up a bit you can see the water really moving in the rad. Good to hear, I'm thinking most of the Source stuff is junk. I don't care for China, I wonder why?

Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: Challenger 1] #685509 05/06/10 06:40 PM 05/06/10 06:40 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,295 dark side of the moon D Dougsmopars OP top fuel
Dougsmopars OP top fuel D Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,295 dark side of the moon	Car had no over heat issues till i installed the 440 source parts. Trashed that junk pump car is back to normal. That was money down the drain. pump went into trash. I wouldn't sell it to anyone. Made in China = JUNK

Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: Dougsmopars] #685510 05/06/10 06:43 PM 05/06/10 06:43 PM
Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 233 NH Fastback67 enthusiast
Fastback67 enthusiast Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 233 NH	Quote: Installed the Milodon pump and temp droped 20 to 30 degree's. The 440 source pumps are junk. Even worse when used with there houseing. Cars runs at 185 steady now 190 in stop and go traffic. Now when you rev it up a bit you can see the water really moving in the rad. Told ya the pump was junk The 440 Source pump housing wouldn't be my first choice either. It does work OK, but there are better products available for a similar price 440 Source does put out a lot of good products for us, but this housing & pump assembly is deffinately not one of them.

Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: Fastback67] #685511 05/06/10 06:49 PM 05/06/10 06:49 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,295 dark side of the moon D Dougsmopars OP top fuel
Dougsmopars OP top fuel D Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,295 dark side of the moon	Well live and learn i guess. Temp is normal now so houseing will stay for the time being. Pump was an easy change. Just got done detailling engine and engine compartment a couple of weeks ago. Didn't want to have to rip to much apart if i didn't have to.

Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: Dougsmopars] #685512 05/06/10 07:32 PM 05/06/10 07:32 PM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 129 wisconsin usa M moretork03 member
moretork03 member M Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 129 wisconsin usa	anyone having problems with mancini's pump and housing combo?

Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: Dougsmopars] #685513 05/06/10 07:41 PM 05/06/10 07:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,408 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN... N NITROUSN I Live Here
NITROUSN I Live Here N Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,408 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN...	Quote: Car had no over heat issues till i installed the 440 source parts. Trashed that junk pump car is back to normal. That was money down the drain. pump went into trash. I wouldn't sell it to anyone. Made in China = JUNK Why not give it to someone else and see if they have the overheating problem? That would be a good test.

Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: moretork03] #685514 05/06/10 07:43 PM 05/06/10 07:43 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,503 NJ 4 440challenger master
440challenger master 4 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,503 NJ	Well im in bad shape. i put a 160 stat in and the car is still running at 210-215 on a short cruize. Its almost getting worse not better. i even tried advancing the timing with no change. The intake is so HOT and the rad hoses feel like they are ready to BURST. Could I have a cracked cyclinder head pumping hot exhaust into my coolant? the coolant smelled burnt. Im out of ideas!

Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: 440challenger] #685515 05/06/10 07:57 PM 05/06/10 07:57 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,295 dark side of the moon D Dougsmopars OP top fuel
Dougsmopars OP top fuel D Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,295 dark side of the moon	what do you have for fan? Got a shroud on it? Have you had the rad checked? Had that problem with my Road Runner a few years ago. Ended up being rad was clog up in the middle. Water flowed but not enough. Recored it ran cool.

Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: moretork03] #685516 05/06/10 08:02 PM 05/06/10 08:02 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio	Quote: anyone having problems with mancini's pump and housing combo? I have a Mancini housing(looks just like all the other Chinese ones)and a CV electric pump and my car stays at 180 on the open road and comes up to 190-200 in stop and go traffic.Like was posted above 200 degrees is not overheating.Most modern electric fans on your daily driver don't come on until 215-220 Gus 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: Dougsmopars] #685517 05/06/10 08:09 PM 05/06/10 08:09 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,503 NJ 4 440challenger master
440challenger master 4 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,503 NJ	Its a brand new 26" champion radiator . No shroud, but i dont have one on any of my other RB cars and they run 180

Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: 440challenger] #685518 05/06/10 08:13 PM 05/06/10 08:13 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: Its a brand new 26" champion radiator . No shroud, but i dont have one on any of my other RB cars and they run 180 It sounds like your learning how important shrouds are... It makes a big difference along with a funtioning fan clutch if your running one.

Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: 440challenger] #685519 05/06/10 08:22 PM 05/06/10 08:22 PM
Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 233 NH Fastback67 enthusiast
Fastback67 enthusiast Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 233 NH	Quote: Well im in bad shape. i put a 160 stat in and the car is still running at 210-215 on a short cruize. Its almost getting worse not better. Switching from a 180 to a 160 will only make it worse. If your cooling system can't maintain 180 it's sure as hell not going to maintain 160. The thermostats just going to stay open and the hot water is just going to keep cycling through your block, never stopping in the radiator long enough to be cooled off. Put the 180 back in and move forward from there...

Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: Challenger 1] #685520 05/06/10 08:24 PM 05/06/10 08:24 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,503 NJ 4 440challenger master
440challenger master 4 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,503 NJ	Im running a brand new fan clutch and they fan is about 3/4 inch away from rad. Like i said i dont run a shroud on my roadrunner or challenger and they run 180. I think it's way beyond a shroud ,because i had an HHR elec fan with shroud and it was doing the same thing. How can i tell if my lower rad hose is collapsing while driving ? Theres a ton of pressure in it when engines off... Could i have a blown head gasket/ cracked head causing this overheating issue without the signs of running poorly or smelling antifreeze?

Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: 440challenger] #685521 05/06/10 08:38 PM 05/06/10 08:38 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: Im running a brand new fan clutch and they fan is about 3/4 inch away from rad. Like i said i dont run a shroud on my roadrunner or challenger and they run 180. I think it's way beyond a shroud ,because i had an HHR elec fan with shroud and it was doing the same thing. How can i tell if my lower rad hose is collapsing while driving ? Theres a ton of pressure in it when engines off... Could i have a blown head gasket/ cracked head causing this overheating issue without the signs of running poorly or smelling antifreeze? Doubt head gasket or crack since it's running good. Put a spring in the lower hose if it don't have one. When in stop and go traffic shrouds become more important, I'm telling you. you sure there's no air in the system?

Re: Running hot with 440 source housing and pump [Re: Challenger 1] #685522 05/06/10 08:42 PM 05/06/10 08:42 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,503 NJ 4 440challenger master
440challenger master 4 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,503 NJ	I will try the spring. I know the shrouds help, but while doing my testing im cruizing down back roads with no stop and go traffic in cool 65-70 degree weather for only about 10-15 minutes. The car runs like an animal.

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