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why they don't require them to be caged while filling and heating is beyond me.

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why they don't require them to be caged while filling and heating is beyond me.

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It was my understanding that the bottle was in a bath type heater and when he reached over to ck the pressure something let go....could be a freak situation where if there had been a cage in place this could possibly have happened when opening the cage to remove transfer the bottle.....very sad, but sometimes even when you follow the rules and have all the safety in place freak accidents happen

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It was a carbon bottle
Stuff happens.NO more on NOS than anything else.Ever seen a turbo or blower come apart.It is not pretty,same deal.If you guys are that scared of stuff stay the hell at home.
Sorry to be an jackass but with post like this it's hard not to be.Lenny

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while I can agree with that to some extent. and with it the way Rick put it. a bottle flying 200 feet in the air after hitting somebody may put people at risk thats not involved with racing. at SGMP they sometimes have flea markets and other things going on where the bottle landed while drag racing on the other side.if something good as in some kind of safety rules after they figure out what really happened comes out of this that will be a good thing. I am sure Mike's family would have loved to have some kind of protection in place before this happened.

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It was a carbon bottle
Stuff happens.NO more on NOS than anything else.Ever seen a turbo or blower come apart.It is not pretty,same deal.If you guys are that scared of stuff stay the hell at home.
Sorry to be an jackass but with post like this it's hard not to be.Lenny

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while I can agree with that to some extent. and with it the way Rick put it. a bottle flying 200 feet in the air after hitting somebody may put people at risk thats not involved with racing. at SGMP they sometimes have flea markets and other things going on where the bottle landed while drag racing on the other side.if something good as in some kind of safety rules after they figure out what really happened comes out of this that will be a good thing. I am sure Mike's family would have loved to have some kind of protection in place before this happened.

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I totally agree on the bottle filling containment idea....just makes sense....many years ago I used to change truck tires and we had a containment rack the tire rolled in while inflating them to capture the ring if it blew....seen a few let go during that period and it ain't pretty....also anytime I see welding bottles not secured, it gives me the creeps

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It was a carbon bottle
Stuff happens.NO more on NOS than anything else.Ever seen a turbo or blower come apart.It is not pretty,same deal.If you guys are that scared of stuff stay the hell at home........
[SORRY TO BE A JACKASS].......... but with post like this it's hard not to be.Lenny

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..........................Have to agree with you Lenny, YOU are 100% correct, you hit the nail right on the head!! You are dead on with the last sentence!!!! A man is dead!!

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And your the expert?How long have you ran NOS?
How many a 1000s of cars run NOS safely every weekend.YES there are maybe 200 videos on Youtube of the bad side.I think that is good for as long as it's been around.
Yes bad stuff can happen,but you guys think it's a ticking time boob.Some dumba$$ congress man is looking for a reason to make it illegal stop helping him.Lenny

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Its not a ticking time bomb, but it is dangerous if you get complacent/or even non complacent about it if you dont understand or even understand its dangers.


It cost Mike Walker his life.

Did he know anything about NOS, or was he a newbe?? Is there a difference??


NOS, has its rightfull place in racing. But We ALL need to know of its potential dangers.

Lenny, I think you could even understand that. I think, mike

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ProSport, the reason you get nasty messages, is because of comments like this...."can't believe the stuff is even legal". If you want something that is very dangerous if mishandled outlawed, it should be nitro. Anything can and does go wrong at times and it is generally always human error, or taking something for granted.

Mike Walker was a personal friend of mine and I was at SGMP this past weekend when this occurred and not far away either. Suffice it to say, Mike was an experienced guy and was doing what he and many others have done thousands of times. It was just a freak accident, that caused a chain of unfortunate actions, that resulted in a loss of life. Won't get into specifics, but the Carbon bottle did not fail, it did not blow the threads out of the bottle, nor did a valve fail. It was just a freak accident and what should be learned, it to respect a pressurized cylinder and what it can do, if something goes wrong and to be careful and treat it with the proper respect.

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Monty... if the valve or the tank didnt fail how
did the pressure escape that quickly to launch it
into the air.... I dont understand... just trying
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Speaking as a 30 year Industrial Design engineer and construction Manager on 4 continents and have taught classes on NEC CLASS I and CLASS II (explosive gases and Dusts respectively). I've designed safety systems to pump and react Ethylene and propylene oxide I can tell you that although risks can almost never be eliminated, but they certainly can be mitigated (reduced to very low probabilities). I hear guys say Sh^^ happens but that won't scour if someone nest to you doesn't know the risks screws up (or just gets careless) and mis-handles a potentially explosive or any high potential energy device. A nitrous bottle (for example) could fly out of your hand and hit someone's wife...or heaven forbid a child. In industry we make certain that people are adequately safety trained for the environment they work in. You can work in a field 50 years and you still may not have adequate safewty knowledge of the potential hazards if it never happened to you....sad but true. Guys like Monte obviously know the dangers and they respect them...unfortunately a lot of guys in the pits on any given week-end do not. But Freak accidents can almost always be avoided by properly trained persons, the best electricians treat every wire like it is hot...even when they know they cut they power off themselves. Cowboys and things that go boom or bang never make for a good combination.

Industrial valves often have additional double block interlocks (two hands to open/set/position indicators, pins, etc) and other safety features installed so inadvertant accidents are far less likely to happen. But that's typically only required when you're dealing with darwin award candidates....Qualified people can rely on training but unfortunately just about any yahoo with a credit card can buy some really dangerous stuff...and park next to you. If not in the pits maybe in an RV park with a 20 dollar propane tank (hey y'all, watch this!).

Solutions don't have to be expensive and be bogged down in regulations either, guys can police themselves if the right people step up and say this can't be allowed to happen again....make some easy to enforce solutions like....don't 'think' (ASSume) the bottle is empty...just always handle,treat and store it and RESPECT IT LIKE IT WAS FULLY CHARGED REGARDLESS. Just like If you ride a motorcycle, always ride as though you are invisible and therefore nothing anyone else does will ever suprise you. Assume the danger is always present, train yourself to think this way as second nature and you'll never be suprised...or worst case you'll instictively know how to react. Training and just some basic safety sense is almost always the key to keeping yourself AND OTHERS safe. A guy in Monte's position can really stand up and be heard.

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Yeah I'm fully aware of high pressure bottles and what
they can/will do.... I just wasnt sure how the gas
escaped at that rate if the valve or bottle didnt fail,
are those bottles a 1/4 or 1/2 turn for full open?

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Yeah I'm fully aware of high pressure bottles and what
they can/will do.... I just wasnt sure how the gas
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are those bottles a 1/4 or 1/2 turn for full open?

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I don't think that quarter or half turn to open ball valves should be allowed in drag racing. It's far too easy for accident to happen with these valves over the knob style twist open variety.

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Yeah I'm fully aware of high pressure bottles and what
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I don't think that quarter or half turn to open ball valves should be allowed in drag racing. It's far too easy for accident to happen with these valves over the knob style twist open variety.

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Maybe the "haters" should stay away from restuarants and about any other place as well. When that minimum wage teenager, that has no idea what it can do, drops that C02 tank she is changing and it takes off and kills somebody, we will see what will happen then. It's all about "lets outlaw this or that" when something happens at the track, but some of these idiots don't realize they are in close proximity to the same type things everyday of their lives. A pressurized cylinder is a pressurized cylinder, whether it is nitrous, oxygen, argon, C02, whatever. It gets loose, it will hurt somebody.

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If you don't have anything productive to say just stay the hell out of this thread.

I know what you mean, Monte, talking about a kid carrying a C02 bottle but they are made where the valve is protected. But, I get your point and don't dispute it.

I know some freinds who saw a stud from a Top Fuel Car go through a fans head in the stands. Drag Racing and all motorsports have their danger. Get hit in the head with a baseball, this too can be deadly but people take their kids to games all the time.

When I ran nitrous I hated the way some people let their kids roam through my trailer full of fuel and nitrous. Some parents toating cigarettes around racing fuel. I kept a cap on my bottles just because I was too cheap to risk loosing precious nitrous and found they also protect the threads. I was offered some of those valves with the 1/4 turn ball valve and thought man that might be cool. Then saw one turn over and tip the valve blowing a charcoal grill over and making some excitement and decided it wasn't for me.

When you come to a dragstrip you are allowed a priviledge of entering the pits. Like all priviledges they require responsibilities. You bottle haters what happens when you are in the pits pedal tuning your junk. Wahhh Wahhh Wahhhhhhhhhhh and a belt, bolt, pully, harmonic balancer or valve gear comes flying into your neighbors pit. I have seen all of this happen. Maybe all those guys who can't tune their junk at home should be pitted together. Part of being a parent is teaching your kids and wives how to be safe at the dragstrip.

I have a freind that used to insist on bringing his wife and little seven year old girl to the starting line and would get pissed if I didn't get them arm bands. You just can't help stupid. No matter how many mufflers we saw get thrown by a spinning tire and almost hurt someone or the many chunks of rubber and rocks they kept doing it.

Here it is Simpleton. A nitrous bottle in the pit next to you is the least of your worries at a Drag Strip. This like any of the million things that can take humans out of this world happened. Like Monte said FREAK ACCIDENT. Where there some added risk why sure there are in any pit next to any car. DEAL WITH IT OR STAY HOME IN YOUR BOX.

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If you don't have anything productive to say just stay the hell out of this thread.

I know what you mean, Monte, talking about a kid carrying a C02 bottle but they are made where the valve is protected. But, I get your point and don't dispute it.

I know some freinds who saw a stud from a Top Fuel Car go through a fans head in the stands. Drag Racing and all motorsports have their danger. Get hit in the head with a baseball, this too can be deadly but people take their kids to games all the time.

When I ran nitrous I hated the way some people let their kids roam through my trailer full of fuel and nitrous. Some parents toating cigarettes around racing fuel. I kept a cap on my bottles just because I was too cheap to risk loosing precious nitrous and found they also protect the threads. I was offered some of those valves with the 1/4 turn ball valve and thought man that might be cool. Then saw one turn over and tip the valve blowing a charcoal grill over and making some excitement and decided it wasn't for me.

When you come to a dragstrip you are allowed a priviledge of entering the pits. Like all priviledges they require responsibilities. You bottle haters what happens when you are in the pits pedal tuning your junk. Wahhh Wahhh Wahhhhhhhhhhh and a belt, bolt, pully, harmonic balancer or valve gear comes flying into your neighbors pit. I have seen all of this happen. Maybe all those guys who can't tune their junk at home should be pitted together. Part of being a parent is teaching your kids and wives how to be safe at the dragstrip.

I have a freind that used to insist on bringing his wife and little seven year old girl to the starting line and would get pissed if I didn't get them arm bands. You just can't help stupid. No matter how many mufflers we saw get thrown by a spinning tire and almost hurt someone or the many chunks of rubber and rocks they kept doing it.

Here it is Simpleton. A nitrous bottle in the pit next to you is the least of your worries at a Drag Strip. This like any of the million things that can take humans out of this world happened. Like Monte said FREAK ACCIDENT. Where there some added risk why sure there are in any pit next to any car. DEAL WITH IT OR STAY HOME IN YOUR BOX.

LEON

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I have to admit that I have been lax when transporting extra bottles myself. That will change now.

However, getting hit by a stray bottle while at the track is the least of the things I would worry about. I am much more afraid of the idiots flying around on golf carts/scooters/etc., fools testing trans brakes on the ground, and the racers who feel it necessary to drive through the pits at 70 mph.

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I have to admit that I have been lax when transporting extra bottles myself. That will change now.

However, getting hit by a stray bottle while at the track is the least of the things I would worry about. I am much more afraid of the idiots flying around on golf carts/scooters/etc., fools testing trans brakes on the ground, and the racers who feel it necessary to drive through the pits at 70 mph.

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Saw that on the bullet this afternoon....very sad....RIP

Rick Blake

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