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Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669754 04/16/10 04:44 PM 04/16/10 04:44 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: I assume my power steering assembly is the reason there is no fan connected to the front of my block. I have a multi belt system and if there were a fan there it would only get in the way. However, i have a dual fan setup attached to the radiator which shorted out during the original overheat when it spilled all over my driveway. assuming the current wiring for the fan is correct all i need for the radiator fans to run again may be... http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HDA-3653/ Oh my, good luck. Advise...wire the fans to be on all the time to begin with until you sort out the cooling system. Then maybe spend the money on a controller if you can get the pusher fans to cool the engine. Like I said, good luck. Last edited by Challenger 1; 04/16/10 04:47 PM.

Re: Overheating [Re: Challenger 1] #669755 04/16/10 04:49 PM 04/16/10 04:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas	Power steering would not be a reason not to have a fan on the motor. The fan would stick into the shroud to where it would only be an couple of inches away from the radiator which would put it way out in front of the power steering. bThere will be either a clutch on the fan or a spacer between it and the pulley ythat will move it forward away from the belts.

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669756 04/16/10 04:50 PM 04/16/10 04:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,476 G gtx69 super gas
gtx69 super gas G Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,476	Can you post a picture of your pulley setup.I'm just wondering what type of setup you have that a stock fan wouldn't work or power steering.When the car overheated it shouldn't have shorted out unless it wasn't wired right.

Re: Overheating [Re: gtx69] #669757 04/16/10 05:12 PM 04/16/10 05:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla j3wbagell OP member
j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	my camera takes fairly large photos, i've uploaded them into an album on photobucket you can view it HERE. EDIT: if you are looking at the wiring, the blue wire gets tunneled into the green wire on the fan housing assembly and i think that metal thing is supposed to be a temperature probe but its just mounted onto the radiator with the c clamp looking thing that is insulated with foam in the picture on summit Last edited by j3wbagell; 04/16/10 05:23 PM.

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669758 04/16/10 05:21 PM 04/16/10 05:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas	There is no reason you can't get rid of those electric fans and install a factory clutch fan back on that engine.

Re: Overheating [Re: stumpy] #669759 04/16/10 05:35 PM 04/16/10 05:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla j3wbagell OP member
j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	this may be true however at this time being a 19 yr old college student relying on the government and prepaid college terms, i am trying to minimize my budget to the smallest degree so if i can fix the current fan system i presume i will be happy. Is there really an improvement between a clutch fan and an electrical fan? so far my bill runs me to a new water pump and thermostat. adding a clutch and fan may break teh bank plus i dont even know what else i would need. Last edited by j3wbagell; 04/16/10 05:38 PM.

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669760 04/16/10 05:41 PM 04/16/10 05:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas	A lot. Most of the cheap electrics won't cool an engine. It takes a good strong fan set up to do it. Is the water pump leaking? Start with a new thermostat and get the fans blowing. Then see what you have. You may not need a wterpump. If $30 for a water pump and thermostat blows your budget then your are in trouble to begin with.

Re: Overheating [Re: stumpy] #669761 04/16/10 09:43 PM 04/16/10 09:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla j3wbagell OP member
j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	where can i find a water pump for 30 dollars? I have to hang the exhaust with new piping and tips, i saw an oe replacement on summit for 60 bucks but i never explored the links on the main page.

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669762 04/16/10 09:49 PM 04/16/10 09:49 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	I offerd to help you before,you are close by i understand the 19 and no $ in the budget i have a good WP you can have and may have a good clutch fan as well even have pulleys if you need them that car just needs a little mopar help

Re: Overheating [Re: scratchnfotraction] #669763 04/16/10 10:08 PM 04/16/10 10:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas	You can get the thermostat and water pump at any local parts store. Why are you looking at the high priced stuff at summit? You don't have a race car. Most every thing you will need for that car can be purchased at the local parts store.

Re: Overheating [Re: stumpy] #669764 04/16/10 10:23 PM 04/16/10 10:23 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 303 Staten Island, NY R RO23dave enthusiast
RO23dave enthusiast R Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 303 Staten Island, NY	I would think that if you're going to change the water pump, while you're in there check the timing chain. i'm wondering if the backfiring and overheating maybe chain related. do the chain stretch test, where you rock the crank back and forth while watching the movement of the distributor rotor. you'll have the water pump off so shouldn't be too much more trouble to check the alignment of the chain. my dave

Re: Overheating [Re: RO23dave] #669765 04/16/10 11:41 PM 04/16/10 11:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,476 G gtx69 super gas
gtx69 super gas G Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,476	Change water pump and themostat and get fan working or change to clutch fan and shourd d

Re: Overheating [Re: stumpy] #669766 04/18/10 12:18 PM 04/18/10 12:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla j3wbagell OP member
j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	Quote: You can get the thermostat and water pump at any local parts store. Why are you looking at the high priced stuff at summit? You don't have a race car. Most every thing you will need for that car can be purchased at the local parts store. i truly didn't know the line between what auto zone would and wouldn't carry. Regardless they have to special order the WP and is just about the same price as summit. Are the belt lengths written on them? I have some fraying and this is as good a time as any to replace them. Scratchin i'll shoot you a pm.

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669767 04/18/10 12:31 PM 04/18/10 12:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas	Shop around online. O'Reilly's sells and stocks the water pump you need for less than $25.

Re: Overheating [Re: stumpy] #669768 04/18/10 01:17 PM 04/18/10 01:17 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 314 North East Missouri E express enthusiast
express enthusiast E Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 314 North East Missouri	Unless the water pump is leaking I'll bet money it's not bad. I have never seen a water pump rust the impellers off. CHANGE THE THERMOSTAT FIRST! This is a cheap fix. If the stat is stuck, the water pump is not circulating water to the radiator. cny25421@centurytel.net 70 Duster Turbo Charged 79 Lil Red Express Bonded Locksmith

Re: Overheating [Re: express] #669769 04/18/10 01:40 PM 04/18/10 01:40 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: Unless the water pump is leaking I'll bet money it's not bad. I have never seen a water pump rust the impellers off. CHANGE THE THERMOSTAT FIRST! This is a cheap fix. If the stat is stuck, the water pump is not circulating water to the radiator. He never said if it was leaking or not, probally never looked close enough to know. If it ain't leaking, it's working. lol Like you said. Too bad our government won't fix our cars yet.

Re: Overheating [Re: Challenger 1] #669770 04/18/10 07:35 PM 04/18/10 07:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla j3wbagell OP member
j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	Quote: Quote: Unless the water pump is leaking I'll bet money it's not bad. I have never seen a water pump rust the impellers off. CHANGE THE THERMOSTAT FIRST! This is a cheap fix. If the stat is stuck, the water pump is not circulating water to the radiator. He never said if it was leaking or not, probally never looked close enough to know. If it ain't leaking, it's working. lol Like you said. Too bad our government won't fix our cars yet. i did say it was not leaking, i don't knwo the mechanics of a WP running to the auto shop now 180 stat? they have economy or superstat does it matter it's a 5 dollar difference?

Re: Overheating [Re: j3wbagell] #669771 04/18/10 07:41 PM 04/18/10 07:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,935 Grand Prairie,Texas	A stant brand thermostat is a good one. And I would get at least a 190* to get the engine up to optimum running temp. Any cooler than that and you are creating engine wear and poor combustion properties. A 190* stat is wide open at that temp and won't cause your enigne to overheat.

Re: Overheating [Re: stumpy] #669772 04/18/10 10:55 PM 04/18/10 10:55 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,214 Someplace you aren't S SomeCarGuy I Live Here
SomeCarGuy I Live Here S Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,214 Someplace you aren't	190 stat Slant is good, Robertshaw used to be a nice piece, had bid slots to let lots of flow happen. You need an engine driven fan. Will save you a ton of heart aches. Take Sracthin up on his offer I want my fair share

Re: Overheating [Re: SomeCarGuy] #669773 05/29/10 08:19 PM 05/29/10 08:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla j3wbagell OP member
j3wbagell OP member Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 149 Cen Fla	Alright 195 stat in place eddy carb running fine slight hissing, but STILL OVERHEATING. The fans are not yet functional but I only have water running through the block. I start to see steam coming from the radiator at about 5 mins of idle is the 195 to high of a stat or should regular coolant do the trick?

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