Re: 340 J Heads on a 318?
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If the compression is stock the J-heads will kill the engine of low end performance unless you up the compression substantially.
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Re: 340 J Heads on a 318?
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what's the difference in the CC's and the valve sizes between the 2
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Re: 340 J Heads on a 318?
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for LA's, stock 318's, save the 4bbl motors used 1.78/1.5" valves.
CC's ran from ~60-62 (early '920 castings, and 302 castings) to 66-68 (open chambered castings)
4bbl motors used 1.88/1.6 valve 360 heads, which ran ~ 72cc "J" heads are essentially the same as the 360 heads on the 4bbl motors.
if the engine uses stock pistons, compression will be in the high 7's, low 8's. use KB167's, and your compression will be high 8's to ~9:1. if you use stock pistons, look for a short duration, high lift cam (lunati voodoo 40600 or 60401 would be my choice) and maybe install it an additional 2-4degrees advanced
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Re: 340 J Heads on a 318?
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yes you can... that's the fact, and don't need anything else to make them work. 4 bbls intake will be an extra "free" and easy bolt on point. then if you want more, is the time to consider the rest of stuff around ( pistons, cam ), but strictly to the heads, is posible and definitelly a winning point
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Re: 340 J Heads on a 318?
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I did this to a '73 318: Rebuilt junkyard 360 heads with the intake seat cut to 2.02". Heads shaved .060" for compression. '68 340 intake TINY hydraulic cam- the smallest one PAW sold at the time. Headers and a Holley 650. REALLY woke that little 318 up!
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Re: 340 J Heads on a 318?
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Looking to do something nearly identical to what you did to your 318 ramrod. Did you do the work on the heads yourself? And did you do any port or finish work on the manifold?
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Re: 340 J Heads on a 318?
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Quote:
I did this to a '73 318:
Rebuilt junkyard 360 heads with the intake seat cut to 2.02". Heads shaved .060" for compression. '68 340 intake TINY hydraulic cam- the smallest one PAW sold at the time. Headers and a Holley 650.
REALLY woke that little 318 up!
....you really need to shave the heads .060 to get the compresssion back to 10:1 using a .020 headgasket, consider the crush height of the installed head gasket when running the J head on a 318, manufacturer will state what the compressed installed height is,....if you go into the 2.020 intake valves, with a milled .060 head and .020 steel head gasket, your limited to about .490 lift on the cam, and 270 duration before you incouter some piston to valve interference,....best to check your piston to valve clearance anyway to be sure,....when milling .060 off the heads, thats based on a virgin assy casting, so have the machine shop check head height before milling, as most heads surviving today have surely been milled somewhat over the years
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Re: 340 J Heads on a 318?
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my stock 88 360 headed 318 cop engine thats never been a part with about 190,000 miles sure woke up with the voodoo roller cam in my 85 truck Ma Mopar did 360 heads for yrs on the 4-v 318s 600 cfm LD4B 60710 lunati roller cam 258/264 207/213 .485/.485 comp 901-16 springs all stock roller gear down to the 1.88/1.60 vales headers/2.5 duals 904 high stall lock up TC 8 3/4-3.23 sg 29x15x15 M/Ts gets 18 mpgs,merges with attude,runs triple didgets on the interstate and is a blast to drive now not a lumpy racer but its sure better than any stock 318 anyday I would run the 1.88 over 2/02 myself unless your gonna rev the snot out of it
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Re: 340 J Heads on a 318?
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The heads were worked by a reputable shop about 25 years ago. I've used them on several engines and they STILL perform fine. Nothing special about them... No porting or even port matching. 360 smog heads from a junkyard. They had the cast bosses for air injection, but they werent drilled. There is a big bump in the exhaust port on these smog heads, you might could grind those out for increased flow on the exhaust side but I would ask one of the sharp cylinder head guys on the board first. The manifold is just a stock cast-iron 340 square bore piece, although I've read that those are very good manifolds. Like scratchn said, the 1.88" might be better on the street. I frequently revved that little motor to 6500 RPM without a problem. These days I would do a Magnum head.
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Re: 340 J Heads on a 318?
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I had a set of 587 heads with the bumps cast in but not machined for air injection, and they flowed better from about .400" and up than my 915 castings. These were used heads and no fresh valve jobs. About 10 cfm better at higher lifts. I seem to remember an article 30 years ago about a 360 SS Duster (Comstock?) running the 587 heads with the bump in the floor for better flow. I've heard the bump can be shaped for better flow. You'd have to get RyanJ or Brian (OU812) or somebody like that for details. I'm not a head porter. I pay those guys to do that stuff.
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Re: 340 J Heads on a 318?
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I would not do "just a head swap" just doing a head swap will hurt performance. Just look at the stock 4bbl motors they only made like 15 more HP AND they had a 800 cfm 4bbl instead of a 200 cfm 2bbl. The reason mopar did it was to keep NOX emmisions down and for no other reason.
On the other hand if you do something to dramatically get compression up a lot (like 3 points)then you can make more HP with the 360 head. Also putting larger valves PROPERLY will make more HP and will not hurt low RPM TQ. The only part of the port that has a significantly lower velovity with bigger valves is between the valve and valve seat, the rest of the port will see increased velocity because flow will be up INCLUDING low lift flow, low lift flow increases because for example at .2 lift and a 1.88 valve you have 1.18064 sq inches of opening around the valve but with a 2.02 valve you will have 1.26856 sq inches of area for air to flow through. The problem most people have when they increase valve size is they do not unshroud the valve in the chamber to match, just takes a few seconds with a grinder, another mistake is not opening up the bowl to match the increased seat size, any decent VJ will include this cut at no extra charge but it is suprising to me how many machinists do not do that cut.
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