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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !]
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12/10/09 07:28 PM
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HermO ... if you have FOUR of those - across-the-pond - that is far FAR more impressive than my nine. BTW ...where did you come-up with those? .. I found most of mine at via eBay or CL.
Funny enough I found 3 of them in cars I had bought over time. All of these 3 are resting under workbenches now.
The fourth one was my first 413 which I purposely bought out of a parted out '65 Imperial to replace the 'uncorrect' ticking 440 in my '62 stationwagon. I just thought the wagon should have a CubicInch-numbers-matching  motor under the hood.
The ticking in the 440 turned out to be the solid lifters just needing adjustment... 
At the time I had just replaced the timing chain and gears in the 413 and put the motor in the wagon in which it did duty since then. It is getting a little tired now though.
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: HYPER8oSoNic]
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12/10/09 07:35 PM
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I would consider a 413 (cheap to build in the long run, more torque where you need it low
midrange)
How is a 413 cheap to build in the long run if the only way to get half decent piston is to go custom? Other than that every other aspect of the rebuild would cost the same as on a 440.
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I agree with some of of your thread, but a 600
anything I'd run a STEEL CRANK. As far as the
small bore/small valves they are on the right path to produce TORQUE. Plus the flame travel
across the piston is less meaning less chance
of DETONATION. More torque in some way offsets
horsepower at the lower and midrange of the rpm
scale.
I challenge you to build a 413 that would beat an identically built 440 can on the strip or on the street. All this tech jargon is good stuff, in theory, but the real world has proven all that to not really make enough difference to affect your timeslip at the track. Detonation control isn't a big issue on a 440 if you know how to setup your engine and I don't think that 413 is going to make more torq in the bottom end, at least nothing that would show up on the butt dyno or the drag strip. The fact is the 413 isn't a bad engine, there's just no reason to run it over a 440. There are a couple 413 devotees on here who just don't want to hear the truth.
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: HYPER8oSoNic]
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12/10/09 07:42 PM
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There are a couple 413 devotees on here who just don't want to hear the truth.
I think in all fairness, that finger can be pointed in EITHER direction
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: A47]
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12/10/09 09:14 PM
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I would take a good running used one just to be different and go cruzing I am gonna run the used 440 I gots cause I got it for 300$ with a tranny,75,000 miles on the clock the 413 sounds to be in line with the 318,nobody wants one,cant give them away same with 273 sb,but look at the "REV" and his "class of 65" ,tell me small cubes,short strokes dont work  I beg to differ,street cars are not race cars,so the cool factor comes in and nothing is cooler than standing around in a chevy crowd boasting about a little 413 that some little ol lady drove to church  and is a sleeper 426  blow it up and move on  run what you brung even if its just on an engine stand fully dressed for the club house  any body want to donate me one  ,I give 2$ over scrap price  before the DOC gets em all 
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: scratchnfotraction]
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12/10/09 09:33 PM
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I would consider a 413 (cheap to build in the long run, more torque where you need it low
midrange)
No...
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: CokeBottleKid]
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12/10/09 11:04 PM
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I ran a '62 413 in my '67 VIP years ago, at the time, I was in college build consisted of a rehone/rering job, new bearings, 484 cam, cut down 452's I used the MP templates on, RPM and a 750 Carter...14.1x's @ 97... Buddy at the same time in a '74 Roadrunner did the same build on his 440, same cam, intake, heads etc, both cars were geared with 3.91's and 2500 converters, and with drivers we were within 75 lbs of each other...his best run was 13.8x's@ 98... On the street whoever hooked first won the redlight fight heh... 
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: maundmotorworks]
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12/10/09 11:24 PM
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If you get that '63 Imperial and part it out, PM me....there's a few tings I want for my '63...
The most useful thing to come out of this thread.... Except it was originally posted Fri May 23 2008 11:48 PM
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: 1_WILD_RT]
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12/10/09 11:30 PM
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If anyone has a 413 that you cant stand sitting around I will take it off your hands. Theres a set of high compression 413 max wedge pistons in the for sale section for 250 dollars. Sure theyre heavy but hey they worked back then.
Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: maundmotorworks]
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12/10/09 11:41 PM
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Have the chance to purchase a raggity 63 Imperial 4 door with a 413 and pushbutton Trans.
I mainly want the car for the motor.Is the 413 really anything special?
What about aftermarket speed goodies? Does anyone make anything for these motors? Been told Pistons are $$$
Can anyone shed light on this motor?
If you get that '63 Imperial and part it out, PM me....there's a few tings I want for my '63...
Actually,I have passed on that deal. I see the car all the time from the highway when I travel to Tucson.
It was posted in an ad on CL for a little while. I inquired and wanted to see if it was the same car. Turns out it is and the guy wants $1100 for it.
Maybe a smoking deal for the right person,but im just not interested in at that price,especially after what I have read here about the 413. For what its worth,id rather find a 440 and get a fresh start there.If anyone is interested I can try to get pics and more info. PM me.
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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12/11/09 01:20 AM
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Yeah, Andy probably didn't mention it because it is insignificant in terms of production numbers.
I had one of those once, 1960 Chrysler Saratoga 2door hard top, "Golden Lion" 383 RB engine. That was a cool car!
I know where TWO of those cars sit side-by-side today...the first 383RBs I have ever seen...but DOUBLE!
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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12/11/09 01:40 AM
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There are a couple 413 devotees on here who just don't want to hear the truth.
I think in all fairness, that finger can be pointed in EITHER direction
True, but at least the 440's got the aftermarket support going for it as well as the 70's updates to the block design...
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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12/11/09 01:52 AM
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True, but at least the 440's got the aftermarket support going for it as well as the 70's updates to the block design...
Don't you mean "At least the 440's got more piston choices going for it"? Because that's all it boils down to, all other aftermarket parts currently made will fit and work on either one equally.
As far as the block design, what are you talking about? The cast in ribs? Show me where those make any difference in durability or increase in HP? I don't see any real point in even bringing that into the mix.
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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12/11/09 01:55 AM
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Yep, it really all boils down to piston selection/and cost.
Current cars: 2000 Dak Quad Cab, 2012 Challenger,1970 Road Runner, 1994 Firehawk
1966 Coronet post sedan, 1988 Corvette, 2005 Magnum RT all SOLD
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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12/11/09 02:40 AM
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True, but at least the 440's got the aftermarket support going for it as well as the 70's updates to the block design...
Don't you mean "At least the 440's got more piston choices going for it"? Because that's all it boils down to, all other aftermarket parts currently made will fit and work on either one equally.
As far as the block design, what are you talking about? The cast in ribs? Show me where those make any difference in durability or increase in HP? I don't see any real point in even bringing that into the mix.
Well that and the larger thrust bearing. Minor stuff I agree, but piston selection being the big one. At least with the 440 you can buy an off the shelf stroker kit and go. 413, again custom and small bore kinda defeats the purpose.
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: SPWC]
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12/11/09 08:17 AM
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Maybe a smoking deal for the right person,but im just not interested in at that price,especially after what I have read here about the 413. For what its worth,id rather find a 440 and get a fresh start there.If anyone is interested I can try to get pics and more info. PM me.
If you're planning an RB build for that 65 Fury wagon of yours, don't forget the goofy driverside motormount used on the 65 Cs! Not all RB blocks have bosses for it. B engines tend to, 413s have them, and mid-70s 440s tend to have them.
Parts I seek:
driver doorpanel, 65 Sport Fury, prefer black, needs to be 7-8 on 10 scale, might buy set
16" x 6" Dodge truck wheel(s), from early 70s?, takes 9" dogdish - need for a research job so cheaper is better.
69-73 C-body caliper brackets and/or splashields
Send a PM.
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Re: Are 413 Engines really all that special?
[Re: BigBlockMopar]
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12/11/09 09:16 AM
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Smaller piston-tops also mean flame-travel is shorter across the top, meaning faster completion of burn?
Which might also give less chance for detonation (Less area where pre-ignition can occur?).
Or am I jumping conclusions? 
that's a large reason why dodge went with the V10 for the 3/4 & 1 ton trucks. granted, by the early 90's, most of the big block tooling was scrapped, but they found they had trouble meeting emissions on bores much over 4" while still making decent power, so they decided to add cylinders....
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Your telling me! 
