Can this low profile B&M Supercharger be used on a Mopar engine, can you purchase the correct adapter seperately.

It's the model 144 Powercharger for a small block Chevy.


Thanks

it could, but you need the intake for the engine. and they are very hard to find. the 144 is a little small unless its going on a 318. i have a 174 with both big block intakes if your looking. been trying to sell and havent really had any success. PM if your interested, or need more info.
Ron

Ron does have a sweet setup for sale if you're looking. I messaged him about it back in september and he sent some good looking pics. But I couldn't scrape up the cash at the time.

Dick Landy Ind used to sell that blower kit. Looks like he used modified Offenhauser dual quad intakes for the manifold.

thats exactly what they used. had to find one for a low deck so i could make it work on the 383. and thanks for the plug daytona!

Ron,

Any chance in seeing some more pictures of the 147 w/ the big block intake?

I used to have a 144 on a slant six it was kind of fun till the rod broke I could dig up some pictures if you want

first few are on the 383 in the car blue ones are mock up on 440

Is it mandatory to mill out the 2x4 carb mount pads and weld in the new pad on an Offy or could one have a bolt on adapter plate made to bolt the little blower to an untouched intake? The small block intakes are plentifull used and as far as I know still avail new. I bought this one from summit in 2003. The date cast in shows it was poured in 2002.

i had mine copied from the 440 intake cut out the entire center an welded in a 5/8 aluminum piece in and it has to be made on the same plane as the crank c/l.
this is the landy one.
they wanted $1000 to make one

you still have that supercharger setup i have a 440 in my amx and it looks like it might fit under the hood. I have a rpm high rise dual plane with a 1 inch spacer and i still have room

How much boost where you getting out of that setup?

Or you could simply run a plate on a intake manifold with the carburetor flange milled flat.
That's what we've done for years until we finally found some great deals on real supercharger intakes.

In fact our current 1972 Dodge Dart is set-up this way.
Holley Street Master single plane intake with carburetor flange milled flat and a 5/8" flat aluminum plate to mate the blower to the intake.




This supercharger was part of a complete small block Chevrolet kit dad got a smoking deal on (~$650.00). Shortly afterwards he picked up a brand new complete polished small block Chevy kit for $1,000.00.

OHHHHHHHH YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA it sure can.

hmm something i have noticed in this thread is a distinct lack of vissible blow of valves it may be mee just being blind
,some say they are very important and some says they are not needed

The complete 142-177 supercharger systems (Chevrolet/Mopar) I have purchased so far never had a pressure relief of any type.
Probably because of the low boost output of these small superchargers?!?

I have a few small block set-ups and a Dick Landy Industries 174 supercharger set-up for a 440.
Here is my DLi intake manifold:








This is an NOS (in box) B&M small block Mopar intake manifold we paid $350.00 for:

I have a dick landy set-up in my AAR which the original owner had installed. Set-up work great.It is the next mopar action april 2011

just 4 kicks here is a 4bbl B-1 intake with a 14-71.

Gaudy, tacky, and just plain fugly.
I bet it runs fantastic though!

You can squeeze a lot of power down an open carb flange, just look at hot much hp some of the centrifugal supercharger guys are making with pushing their boost through a 3 or 4 inch pipe!

If you're spending that kind of money why wouldn't you get a dedicated intake?

Who says everyone is spending that kind of money?
I can't speak for anyone else so I'll just state why I haven't until recently: because Mopar set-ups are extremely hard to find and very expensive when located.

I got the supercharger posted above on the Dart back in the fall of 1997 (maybe it was 1998?) from a guy I know (Cheech) that bought it new. He had it on a 2wd Chevy Blazer that he lowered and turned into a hot rod. He wasn't that impressed with the supercharger kit and wanted a tunnel ram 2 x 4-bbl. set-up. We made a deal to trade even up, so I called saved up $675.00 called Summit Racing and ordered a brand new small block Chevy tunnel ram 2 x 4-bbl. kit and got the small block Chevy blower set-up. At the time we had a 1970 Charger 4-speed that we had transplanted a 354 HEMI into.








We strapped the supercharger onto it's stock 4-bbl. iron intake manifold via an angled plate and cut the serpentine ring off a pulley we got from a junk engine somewhere and welded it to the outside of the HEMIs stock crank pulley/balancer. Topped it off with the same Holley 750 cfm double pumper we already had on the car just had to lengthen the fuel hose and get the throttle cable correct. Wow, what a difference! We ran it for a week like that testing it out and then ended up pulling the drivetrain out of the car and selling the body of the Charger.
The supercharger went into hibernation and we began picking up superchargers and complete SBC set-ups for next to nothing when the deals were out there amassing quite the collection.
In early 2004 (maybe 2003?) we purchased a 1963 Ford F-100 hot rod truck for $1,000.00 that was a driver and someone had stuffed a Camaro coil spring disk brake front sub-frame under along with a high nickel content 350 engine.












After getting a few things corrected with the truck we decided to bring the supercharger set-up out of retirement and put it to good use. Being a GM powerplant kind of made it a no brainer as we had the entire set-up (correct supercharger intake manifold, correct lower pulley, correct sized belt for the application, ...). We ran the truck hard for a couple years and I drag raced it fairly often for a street vehicle. In the fall of 2005 after hot lapping it for 8 runs it finally spun a bearing. We pulled the drivetrain out, removed the supercharger set-up and put it up stairs in dads shop, and scrapped the rest of the GM stuff. Don't worry when work resumed on the hot rod truck the first thing done was a new 1989 roller cam 360 and T/F-727 between the front frame rails.
Anyways on December 26th 2005 dads shop burned down to the ground.








This small block Chevy B&M supercharger was one of the very few things inside the 60' x 80' that was able to be recovered in core condition. In mid 2006 we sent the supercharger in and had it completely rebuilt with new strips in the rotors. I don't recall the cost but it was only $200-300.00. It has sat in the closet until the fall of 2008 when we put together a 1972 Dodge Dart with a 360 and a T/F-727 on the super cheap. We purchased a $75.00 Holley Street Master 4-bbl. aluminum single plane intake manifold that was nice and low profile and had the carburetor pad milled flat which only cost a few bucks. Then we bought a 5/8" thick aluminum plate for $45.00 and turned it into a 4-bbl. to supercharger adapter plate. Basically it bolts the the four carburetor bolts in the intake manifold and the supercharger just bolts to the plate. Three is a gasket between the plate and intake and one between supercharger and plate, obviously. The 750 cfm double pumper carburetor we were using was destroyed in the fire so I put the only good carburetor I had at the time on the car. It was brand new out of the box Holley Street Avenger 770 cfm with vacuum secondaries that I purchased for another project. There was a few bugs to work out in our original serp. belt system as the original tensioner just wasn't working anymore, probably due to the fire. The tensioner would oscillate enough for the belt to loosen just enough to walk around on the pulleys which would cause the belts to shred themselves when it tightened up under acceleration. I also added an idler for more "belt wrap" around the crank & power steering pulley, however bracket kept bending when the throttle was heavily used. It was also "designed" with enough space to bypass the p/s & idler pulleys with a shorter belt that goes directly from the supercharger pulley down to the crank pulley. This adds little extra "belt wrap" around the supercharger pulley for use at the track under hard repetitive maximum performance runs






It was late and the year so the was removed another small old 4-bbl. carb. was installed to keep the car movable and the car was put away for the winter. We didn't get working on the Dart until late in the summer in 2009 but made good headway once we did. We slapped the supercharger back on the car, used an extra tensioner off a mid 90's pickup we had lying around and got everything working great. No more serp. belt issues. We drove the car for the rest of the fall then swapped the supercharger back to a carb. and put the car away for winte. In the spring of 2010 with everything basically figured out we bolted the supercharger back on and got it running better than ever. A couple months later I picked up a brand new in the box Holley 4779S 750 cfm double pumper from a guy an hour down the road after seeing his listing on eBay. I was able to strike a good deal for $250.00 and he agreed to end the auction. The car runs absolutely awesome now. (see photo of engine compartment at this time in one of my above posts)
It just keeps getting better and better. A couple days ago I purchased a billet 750 cfm baseplate from Quick Fuel Technology ($210.00 shipped) so the power valve will start to work correctly and there will be no worries of a lean condition in the upper RPMs, especially since I plan on upping the boost and actually getting it to a point where it can be tuned for more performance right away next spring. 2011 will be an interesting year now that I actually got a few of these performance Mopars licensed for use.













A great car considering I only have ~$5k total from start to finish into it. that includes everything from the new tires/new front disk & rear drum brakes, all tune-up parts, the supercharger set-up, new Holley carb & parts, new Hooker headers & 3" dual exhaust with flowmaster mufflers, new aluminum radiator, Accel Super Coil, SpeedPro '340' type camshaft w/ 114 degree, double roller timing set, driveshaft loop, an original A-Body 8-3/4" rear axle with clutch type sure-grip & 3.91:1 gears, though it does have aftermarket big bolt pattern axles & 3" Moroso wheels studs - I also still have the originals small bolt pattern pieces, not to mention the car is in great shape and has a mint 1971 grille in it...

Also we have a 1941 Dodge 2-door sedan set up very similar to the way our Dart is, except the '41 is a 4-speed with a larger .484"(I) / .491"(E) lift camshaft and a different intake manifold we purchased at a swap meet a few years ago for only $125.00 that was already set up for a supercharger. It has extra support mounts welded to the rear runners for supporting the supercharger/supercharger plate and a blow off valve/plate set-up on the side of it.
The intake started out life as an Offenhauser aluminum 4-bbl. single plane low profile manifold.
This carb & crappy air cleaner is just for moving it around the yard/shop lot when the supercharger set-up isn't installed.
With the way I mount them it only takes about 25 minutes to swap from supercharged to carbureted (or vise~versa) if you have all the parts/tools ready.
It's nice not to have to swap intakes and worry about gaskets, coolant, or oil.
The supercharger set-up we use on this car is a polished SBC kit we bought from someone who had a show car and decided not to use the supercharger set-up. Bought the entire thing brand new for $1,000.00. A pretty good deal, but more then I wanted to pay. However that new polished set-up looks pretty sexy.

Interesting dissertation but when I asked about spending money on a manifold, I was referred to the aluminum race engine with a cheesey blower adaptor. I thought it was kinda silly to drop all that coin then short cut the manifold.

awsome story!THANK YOU FOR SHARING!

Sorry guys, sometimes I get a little carried away posting car porn.
While I'm at it here's a few more supercharged engines we have:

Supercharged 392 HEMI (closest) & supercharged 354 HEMI:







The stock 1968 440 we are putting the Dick Landy Industries 174 B&M supercharger set-up on during the nerve racking "making sure everything fits as it's suppose to after the prepaid purchase phase":









The 392 HEMI Nitro engine we bought for $2,000.00 this past summer in a package deal with a rust free 1971 Plymouth Satellite ($1,600.00):









We had to buy it as is and it turns out we did well. Finally cracked the 392 Nitro engine open the other day and it has all good stuff inside it and it's all brand new! A sweet piece of history being that it's all still 100% complete with all the race goodies (Gear drive, massive aluminum rods, forged pistons, highly machined crank, billet 4-bolt main caps, special oil pan, water flow nipples, magneto, fresh heads...) minus the blower & injection set-up. The intake manifold looks like it's more of a street version though so I think someone else put that on there along the way.




A few more engines:






Now to get them all into cars for some use & abuse!

ive always wanted one of these little blowers on my 440 but im running the 6 pack lower end with eddy heads im around 10:1 CR

thats too much for boost......right?

Little meth injection would help that and add insurance against any tuning mishaps.

Hey daniel depetro, you ever gonna sell one of those B&M 174/177 blowers? I really am in need of one...

Heres mine,a DLI kit that was bought from Ron.
It had "issues",but its all good now.
makes 5lbs boost on a stock 440 w/.509 MP cam.
Stock converter and 3.55 rear ran a 12.03@111mph leaving part throttle and uphill.
Pretty happy with .Drives REALLY nice and 14mpg IF you behave.
Thought about trying to sell it,but I have a small fortune it now with all the machine work to fix the problems.

68` Satellite

Two ideas come to mind here. Mill a set of adapters to attach the Chevy intake to the Mopar heads. Probably more work than it's worth. run the new Indy Mod Man intake. Or like what has been stated here, run it on a single 4 barrel intake. Though my blower is bigger., It is a 6V-71 (not a 6-71) which in layman's term is 366 cu/in blower. Mild 340@3875lbs it runs 11.0@123.
Doug

I didn't know MP made a 114 centerline 509???

Yes they`ve reground some of them. the 484 and 509 are now 114 c/l.

some of yall that have the 174/177 blowers, can you please show pics of the crank pulley? or adapter if there is one?

Anyone pics on mod man intake?

I found an original 162ci B&M blower kit for small block mopar, new never used off of craigslist. I purchased it, I should have it by tuesday...I'll update with pics once I get it.

Finally got it. Found it from a guy in Michigan. he was kind enough to hold it for me while I saved some cash for it....Completely new...everything is NOS never used. B&M 162ci blower kit for small chrysler.

I started to do some minor mock up today starting with the pulleys. Because I have an aftermarket set of billet aluminum pulleys, I needed to machine the center register on my crank pulley roughly .010" of an inch for it to fit over the center register of the blower pulley spacer. Luckily, my girlfriends brother is a machinist, and has a lathe in his garage.





Here you can see the center register does not fit inside the crank pulley.



So on the lathe it goes.





Now it all fits together nicely.





Here it is bolted on:



Now the next problem. In the already very tight engine compartment, my mechanical clutch fan blades hits the blower pulley! LOL





This shows you I cannot space my fan out any further, as I am already dangerously close to the aftermarket aluminum radiator.



SO.....I guess my current plan is to switch to a dual electric fan setup, which will be out of the way of the blower pulley....I will update the thread when i figure that out and get some fans mounted....

...whenever the hell that'll be....lol

cool, no need for electric fans just ditch the clutch fan and get the cheap 18.5" plastic fan from Summit and get a shroud.

Look into a Chevy HHR fan. You can get one from Rockauto.com for about $60 shipped. It works like a champ and is low profile.

http://www.customdakotas.com/forums/v8-performance/11377-hhr-fan-installed.html

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframec...1115394-3378837

yeah man you don't have much room. Looks like electric fan for you.

Is there room in front of the radiator for electric fans?

Been away for a while, been slowly gathering other parts needed for this swap.

I am in the market for a carburetor. What would you guys recommend? I have my eye on the Holley line of supercharger carburetors, like the 750 mechanical secondary manual choke version.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-80573s

There is also one with no choke, and a few more additional features...like "screw-in air bleeds for added tuning, a notched float, and jet extensions to prevent fuel starvation. Other features include a 4-corner idle system, and dual 30cc or 50cc accelerator pumps"

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-80576s

How would the above carbs work with an automatic?

I Haven't found a supercharger specific carb with vacuum secondaries...

Any thoughts...anyone?

I USED OOTB 850'S WITH CHOKE REMOVED AND THAY WORKED GREAT SQ JETTED blocked pv's[caps off]The carbs worked good to 10%OD on the 8-71 8lbs of boost.

Small update. I decided it would be better to use a 1" shorter blower snout. Here it is installed on the blower. That way I could use the mechanical fan, now I have to machine 1" off the blower pulley spacer. :blob:



After months of saving little by little, and a 10% off coupon from summit, I finally was able to purchase the recommended Felpro 1008 head gaskets, a Holley 750 supercharger carb, and the MSD 6BTM ignition box.



Next big thing on the list is the Water/Methanol injection system. This, combined with the boost retard ignition should dramatically reduce the chances of detonation. Helping the engine along to surviving. :happy8:

I have Decided I need one of these on my d150..
Does anyone have or know ANY parts for this for sale? I would at least like to find an intake.