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Re: Ok WWIR (what will it run)
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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11.80-12.00,depending on the tune for the 6bbl.I think a TM-7 and a good 750 would do the trick IMHO.
yeah but the 6-pack looks real ggod... 
"well I would let a converter guy pick the converter not the cam guy it will run but you will give up a bunch on the bottom end.
Scott Brown is the cam guy. It's a custom grind. He sells the conveter too. 11.90's would make me happy. Can't wait for the snow to melt!
just curious did you tell him this was a street car or a race car? kind of a mild combo for a race car. looks like a street car to me?
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Re: Ok WWIR (what will it run)
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02/21/10 10:55 AM
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11.80-12.00,depending on the tune for the 6bbl.I think a TM-7 and a good 750 would do the trick IMHO.
yeah but the 6-pack looks real ggod...
"well I would let a converter guy pick the converter not the cam guy it will run but you will give up a bunch on the bottom end.
Scott Brown is the cam guy. It's a custom grind. He sells the conveter too. 11.90's would make me happy. Can't wait for the snow to melt!
just curious did you tell him this was a street car or a race car? kind of a mild combo for a race car. looks like a street car to me?
Told him all the specs...and yes a higher stall would help but I drive the car more than race.
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Re: Ok WWIR (what will it run)
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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02/21/10 03:52 PM
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11.80-12.00,depending on the tune for the 6bbl.I think a TM-7 and a good 750 would do the trick IMHO.
yeah but the 6-pack looks real ggod...
"well I would let a converter guy pick the converter not the cam guy it will run but you will give up a bunch on the bottom end.
Scott Brown is the cam guy. It's a custom grind. He sells the conveter too. 11.90's would make me happy. Can't wait for the snow to melt!
just curious did you tell him this was a street car or a race car? kind of a mild combo for a race car. looks like a street car to me?
Told him all the specs...and yes a higher stall would help but I drive the car more than race.
well there you go, you give up some ET setting it up like that. I would have went with 4800 even on the street.
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Re: Ok WWIR (what will it run)
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02/21/10 05:42 PM
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11.80-12.00,depending on the tune for the 6bbl.I think a TM-7 and a good 750 would do the trick IMHO.
yeah but the 6-pack looks real ggod...
"well I would let a converter guy pick the converter not the cam guy it will run but you will give up a bunch on the bottom end.
Scott Brown is the cam guy. It's a custom grind. He sells the conveter too. 11.90's would make me happy. Can't wait for the snow to melt!
just curious did you tell him this was a street car or a race car? kind of a mild combo for a race car. looks like a street car to me?
Told him all the specs...and yes a higher stall would help but I drive the car more than race.
well there you go, you give up some ET setting it up like that. I would have went with 4800 even on the street.
4800?? on a mild 440? the shift point is 5600. That'd be over kill. If it 60 foot's in the low 1.60's it will go 12.0 or better. MPH should be in the 110-112 or better range. This cam is desinged to have lots of low end and work thru 5800. It's not like a Mopar 509 cam. It has a 112 centerline and a fast ramp on the intake.
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Re: Ok WWIR (what will it run)
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02/21/10 05:57 PM
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11.80-12.00,depending on the tune for the 6bbl.I think a TM-7 and a good 750 would do the trick IMHO.
yeah but the 6-pack looks real ggod...
"well I would let a converter guy pick the converter not the cam guy it will run but you will give up a bunch on the bottom end.
Scott Brown is the cam guy. It's a custom grind. He sells the conveter too. 11.90's would make me happy. Can't wait for the snow to melt!
just curious did you tell him this was a street car or a race car? kind of a mild combo for a race car. looks like a street car to me?
Told him all the specs...and yes a higher stall would help but I drive the car more than race.
well there you go, you give up some ET setting it up like that. I would have went with 4800 even on the street.
4800?? on a mild 440? the shift point is 5600. That'd be over kill. If it 60 foot's in the low 1.60's it will go 12.0 or better. MPH should be in the 110-112 or better range. This cam is desinged to have lots of low end and work thru 5800. It's not like a Mopar 509 cam. It has a 112 centerline and a fast ramp on the intake.
bet you money you would have a .10 or better 60' with a 4800 over what you have. thats providing you can hook it. and maybe more with an 8" converter.
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Re: Ok WWIR (what will it run)
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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02/21/10 10:57 PM
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"bet you money you would have a .10 or better 60' with a 4800 over what you have. thats providing you can hook it. and maybe more with an 8" converter"
Quick, I think an 8" is way too much converter for this engine. Granted a little more stall might be best but and 8"? that's pretty loose for an enigine that peaks at 5800-6k tops. The power cruve starts pretty low on this build. I'm not trying to spin this thing to 6800 or anything. Traction should be average. I'm guessing 1.60-1.65 60 foot.
not really, we ran an 8" 5200 behind a pretty much stock 340 in my sons challenger at 3500lbs. had 1.60s 60' and mid 12s. forget all that power curve BS. an 8" would pick that thing up if you can hook, like I said.
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Re: Ok WWIR (what will it run)
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02/21/10 11:17 PM
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Should have plenty of power to run mid 11's easy, if you can get it to launch hard and hook. Food for thought, this is my dads combo:
70 Challenger (3600 lbs?), 30 over 440, Ross pistons, 10.2 to 1, Comp XE294 hydraulic (519/524)BONE Stock 906's, 850 AED, Torker 2 intake, Hooker Comp headers, similar gearing to you with a 3800-4k stall. Its been 11.91 @ 111 with a 1.63 60 foot. It typically runs bottom 12's.
You should have a good bit more power (if the 6 pack works) with the big valves and solid cam.
11.48 @ 120 with a 1.80 60' 318, stock 1.88 heads, stock 904, Pump Gas, 13 lbs of boost.
9.94 @ 134, 318 on pump gas, 14 lbs w/ Eddies, transbrake 727, 3600 lbs, 3.54 gear and 28's.
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Re: Ok WWIR (what will it run)
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02/21/10 11:18 PM
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"bet you money you would have a .10 or better 60' with a 4800 over what you have. thats providing you can hook it. and maybe more with an 8" converter"
Quick, I think an 8" is way too much converter for this engine. Granted a little more stall might be best but and 8"? that's pretty loose for an enigine that peaks at 5800-6k tops. The power cruve starts pretty low on this build. I'm not trying to spin this thing to 6800 or anything. Traction should be average. I'm guessing 1.60-1.65 60 foot.
not really, we ran an 8" 5200 behind a pretty much stock 340 in my sons challenger at 3500lbs. had 1.60s 60' and mid 12s. forget all that power curve BS. an 8" would pick that thing up if you can hook, like I said.
Crap. I totally agree with quicktree. I put my 5500 8" behind my stock 440 with a .528 cam and with 6000rpm top power, 1-2 comes reeeal quick, but it got 1.63.
Definately would go slower with less stall.
HOWEVER: Your engine has more nuts no-doubt so your results may vary.
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Re: Ok WWIR (what will it run)
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02/21/10 11:22 PM
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I agree more stall would improve the 60 ft, but when it comes to a streetcar, I think you have to draw the line somewhere...with everything - cam, compression, stall, gear, etc. If your goal was to run 12.0's, I think your combo will get you there. If your goal is to run 11.50's, than more stall should be in order.
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Re: Ok WWIR (what will it run)
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02/22/10 12:17 AM
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I agree more stall would improve the 60 ft, but when it comes to a streetcar, I think you have to draw the line somewhere...with everything - cam, compression, stall, gear, etc. If your goal was to run 12.0's, I think your combo will get you there. If your goal is to run 11.50's, than more stall should be in order.
I sorta drew the line on my converter choice as I knew I would drive my car alot but I wanted it to have a halfway good 60. So I went with the Dynamic 9.5 street/strip converter that drives around great but will flash about 4200 at the track. I was looking for high 11's and figured that converter would get me there.
That said my brother threw an 8" 5200 converter behind a very mild 383 with the 484 cam and it ran 12.0's @ 111 in a Duster around 3300 lbs with driver. The Duster did have 5.38's with a 33" tire as it was done with the Pro Street look. Ron
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Re: Ok WWIR (what will it run)
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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02/22/10 10:24 AM
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All you guys telling him to put an 8" converter behind that combination must have forgotten what it's like to drive a heavy STREET CAR with too much stall. Building this type of combination is always a compromise and you need to be careful w/ converter selection to keep a car like this from becoming a real pig when it's not on the track. FWIW(1), it think the combination is capable of going 11.9s once dialed in, but will be surprised if it runs a whole lot quicker. Maybe I've got a mental block on how good those 516 heads can really be...  FWIW(2), I'm still running a 9.5" Dynamic converter w/ my Challenger and it's pulled 1.45 60-ft.s on 275/60R15 M/T ET Street Radials.
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Re: Ok WWIR (what will it run)
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All you guys telling him to put an 8" converter behind that combination must have forgotten what it's like to drive a heavy STREET CAR with too much stall. Building this type of combination is always a compromise and you need to be careful w/ converter selection to keep a car like this from becoming a real pig when it's not on the track.
FWIW(1), it think the combination is capable of going 11.9s once dialed in, but will be surprised if it runs a whole lot quicker. Maybe I've got a mental block on how good those 516 heads can really be...
FWIW(2), I'm still running a 9.5" Dynamic converter w/ my Challenger and it's pulled 1.45 60-ft.s on 275/60R15 M/T ET Street Radials.
so are we talking race cars or street cars  thought this was the race section 
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Re: Ok WWIR (what will it run)
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Looks to me like a street car that wants to go down the track once in a while...So yes...This is ok here...
 but when you ask racers what it will run or what have you. you will get race answers
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Re: Ok WWIR (what will it run)
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Looks to me like a street car that wants to go down the track once in a while...So yes...This is ok here...
but when you ask racers what it will run or what have you. you will get race answers
Looks like we'll need to petition Tom for yet another forum just for legit street cars (but please don't ask me to define "legit") that also go down the race track on occasion. We can include all those so-called race cars that still have 8.75" differentials that ought to have a Dana 60 or Phord 9", too. 
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Re: Ok WWIR (what will it run)
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02/22/10 01:12 PM
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Looks to me like a street car that wants to go down the track once in a while...So yes...This is ok here...
but when you ask racers what it will run or what have you. you will get race answers
right I want a happy medium... It will see 6-8 weekends a year at the track...
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Re: Ok WWIR (what will it run)
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02/22/10 04:47 PM
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Good point. The question was "WWIR", not "what would you build?"
I jumped on a bad band wagon, sorry. 
doesn't matter, racers in general try to make things faster. thats why you get the different opinions. you can ask a 100 people and get 100 different answers.
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Re: Ok WWIR (what will it run)
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Looks to me like a street car that wants to go down the track once in a while...So yes...This is ok here...
but when you ask racers what it will run or what have you. you will get race answers
Looks like we'll need to petition Tom for yet another forum just for legit street cars (but please don't ask me to define "legit") that also go down the race track on occasion. We can include all those so-called race cars that still have 8.75" differentials that ought to have a Dana 60 or Phord 9", too.
yea we can put captain crunch in charge
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