Headers or HP manifolds?
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What are the gains and losses of either one? Do manifolds help torque more than headers or are headers just better overall? If an engine is rebuilt to original, do people look down on putting headers on and think it's better to have the original HP manifolds?
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Re: Headers or HP manifolds?
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I was looking at the summit headers but at the same time I've got the #'s engine. I'm just wondering why if headers do so well on ANY engine no matter what american company, then why did they waste the extra material on manifolds and just build headers which increases power by 30-50hp based on camquest?
Project War Bird:
1971 Plymouth Roadrunner
383 4 speed with air conditioning
GY3 Curious yellow
All original
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Re: Headers or HP manifolds?
[Re: CurYellowBird]
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What are the gains and losses of either one? Do manifolds help torque more than headers or are headers just better overall? If an engine is rebuilt to original, do people look down on putting headers on and think it's better to have the original HP manifolds?
for what it's worth I will stick to HP Manifolds... headers suck..unless you spend a grand...
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Re: Headers or HP manifolds?
[Re: CurYellowBird]
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I was looking at the summit headers but at the same time I've got the #'s engine. I'm just wondering why if headers do so well on ANY engine no matter what american company, then why did they waste the extra material on manifolds and just build headers which increases power by 30-50hp based on camquest?
because casting iron was cheaper then bending steel tubes and welding them. If you look at newer cars you will see most have header type manifolds than old fashion cast iron exhaust manifolds....
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Re: Headers or HP manifolds?
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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I was looking at the summit headers but at the same time I've got the #'s engine. I'm just wondering why if headers do so well on ANY engine no matter what american company, then why did they waste the extra material on manifolds and just build headers which increases power by 30-50hp based on camquest?
because casting iron was cheaper then bending steel tubes and welding them. If you look at newer cars you will see most have header type manifolds than old fashion cast iron exhaust manifolds....
a single piece casting out of grey iron in a sand mold with a couple machining operations is much cheaper to produce on a mass production scale than a fabricated header assembly. there's also a durability issue. how many 30-50 year old headers that were run year round in snow, rain, etc do you see that are still around compared to manifolds?
most of dulcich's "stock to mod" dyno flogs show ~20hp/tq increase with headers even on a stock big block....that's usually his first step in all of these, so it's hard to say what the difference is between say, a comp XE275HL cam (much larger than stock as far as area under the flow curve) with manifolds vs. headers
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Re: Headers or HP manifolds?
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Its all up to what you like on your car. Bottom line headers will always make more power. Some guys say they have problems with headers leaking but not me. I like to get the most power for my buck so I always run headers and I build my engines that way. I use the Hedman Elite headers that have thick flanges so they never leak on me and they are coated so they still look great after almost 4 years. And they dont cost a grand as they were $379. dollars. Now if you want the best header money can buy you can spend $700 to $800. Or you can get a non coated header for about $200. If you want the power and go with headers just check out the options on the ones for your car. Ron
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Re: Headers or HP manifolds?
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I've got a buddy who he bought those same hooker super comps and they would not fit right in his 69' Charger RT/SE. So he chucked'em and bought a set of TTI's. I love headers just cause of that sound they give a car. Do aftermarket cams still sound good through manifolds? I've always heard cams through headers not manifolds so I have no clue.
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Re: Headers or HP manifolds?
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I was looking at running the MP .474 or comp cams xe262h for the torque. Maybe the xe268 but I think the 262 would be better for a more stock oriented build.
Project War Bird:
1971 Plymouth Roadrunner
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GY3 Curious yellow
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Re: Headers or HP manifolds?
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I have an Isky 280 MegaCam in my 440 with HP manifolds. Sounds mean but I am swapping my Hedman's in this month. The added flow of the Eddy heads is gonna need better flowing exhaust. The flange is thinner than I'd like but I welded it to the collector and also purchased 1/2" thick stainless collector rings along with RemFlex gaskets so I never get a leak. If you want to hear what an Isky 280/480 sounds like with HP manifolds click HERE ....Mind you I have Flowmaster Delta 70 Mufflers which are designed for Diesel Trucks
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Re: Headers or HP manifolds?
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TTI would be my choice for headers, give Bob a call I just got a set from him for my 340 Dart already coated and ready to bolt on. Unless your wanting to keep the car bone stock headers have always been one of the first things to be installed for immediate power gain. A set of high temp spark plug wires should also be considered, unless you've already done that of course. IMO don't buy the cheapest set on the market or you will be one of the guy that will hate headers and cuss them every time you need to work on the engine. Another nice upgrade while your doing headers is the mini started mopar offers.
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Re: Headers or HP manifolds?
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I agree with Rodney. I just installed a set of TTI headers on my '62 Fury MW clone, and the fit was absolutely PERFECT ! No problems at all. And they look great. Can't say enough about how they fit. I learned a tough lesson a long time ago about headers....... YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR......If you want performance = HEADERS, if you like the "stock" look = manifolds.
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