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8's on a stock block....

Nice car by the way.

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Thats what I was thinking...

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why not dakuda????????
8.90's, low 9's...the car needs about 700HP to the rear wheels...approx 850 to the flywheel. will it be work? Yes. Is it impossible? no. we've been there done that....for 15 years now we've been building engines and cars with forced induction...we are not a fly by night, back-yard garage.
yet there's this aura of negativity and doubt in our abilities....why?

have some faith mopar peeps!
You guys are too negative! damn....

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I don't necessarily think guys are being negative, it's just that a LOT of us have seen stock blocks break going mid 10's, and you're obviously shooting to go much quicker than that........ so it's surprising..... Usually, by the time the money is spent to make a stock block live behind some really good HP, you could've put another $500 or $1,000 with that money spent and have a new block......

I've got a good 230 casting 400 that's making about 590HP and I'm afraid to spray 150, even with a good tune-up......

Good luck with it......

Wayne

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All the old guys always told me that the #1 cylinder on a 340 will "Crack and fall off" at the 600 HP mark. However, I know boost is much easier on the block and if you only need 750 then you can probably do it.

I'd atleast go with a resto block just for peace of mind though.

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I dont think that motor is waiting for anything that youre planning on doing or running.sell it to someone that restoring a 340 car and get you a race block than start from there.it will save you alot of money in the long run

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Not sure what you mean by that....and I'm going to say it like it is...it sounds to me like you're implying that I'm "lying" and to be honest, that pisses me off a little! That is THE actual engine I will be using. I have nothing to gain by lying, my friend...just because everyone else blows smoke where the sun don't shine, doesn't mean we do....
For anyone interested, I do have another 340 engine in the same condition as shown in that picture for sale if you want it...came out running....$2500.00 and it's yours....

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talk is just that - talk - till you can back it up!

well I was at the track with Scott & Wendy and thy talked the talk, and then proceeded to walk the walk!

brought a car, that was never on the track with its new engine, front suspension, and rear suspension....

sure the line lock was buggin out and the car was pushing through the converter, but they built it to run the 8.50 index class - guess what it ran - RIGHT OFF THE TRAILER?

8.50 - with a 3!

yeah - they brought the backup in the form of a qualifying timeslip. Luck? maybe, but I dont know many people who could do that right off the trailer!

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Sounds like fun!! If you say you can do it, i believe you.

The best way to shut someone up, is throw it right in there face!!!

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Thanks Hemidart...not trying to throw anything in anyone's face, sorry if it came across that way. I'm just sick of "trying to push the tide and ending up with a mouth full of salt water"!! LOL! We've been down this road before with the mopar crowd when we introduced the supercharger stuff back in the mid 90's...it's the same broken record all over again! We're not a fly-by-night back yard mechanic...we have many year's experience. If no one thinks outside the box, then everyone is stuck with the same end results as what has been happening and no new innovations would come out! We work with all makes and models...when you understand how an engine works, you don't care what the badge on the grill is...we take all the knowledge and experience we learn from ALL of them and apply it to how we build every engine and every car. (climbing off soapbox now!!!)
This car is being built how I want it. I want it to look stock. I want the stock 340 block. I want it to be fast! Do we recommend this type of build for everyone? NO! Will it work for what we need? YES! If Scott can build a 5100# daily driver/tow truck/sneak attack on unsuspecting Z06's 1989 GMC truck with a STOCK 350 block and his single turbo kit that runs 11.50's in the quarter, then he sure as hell can handle building a 340 that can run 8's/9's!! Here's some info on the truck...
Check this video out....
horsepower happens here! sd tow


























I just noticed Scott is flipping me off in this picture!! LOL! Wonder if he was sick of me following him around with the camera??!! LOL!

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Good lookin' Duster fastfish. Do you guys have any job openings, maybe need a CAD tech.? I really like your out of the box approach to things and would love to contribute to a company like yours.

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Hi Ryan,

We're always looking for good help! But aren't we a bit of a commute from Michigan???

Do you have any solidworks experience? email me your resume.... sdconcepts@yahoo.com

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8's on a stock block....

Nice car by the way.

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Thats what I was thinking...

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why not dakuda????????
8.90's, low 9's...the car needs about 700HP to the rear wheels...approx 850 to the flywheel. will it be work? Yes. Is it impossible? no. we've been there done that....for 15 years now we've been building engines and cars with forced induction...we are not a fly by night, back-yard garage.
yet there's this aura of negativity and doubt in our abilities....why?

have some faith mopar peeps!
You guys are too negative! damn....

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I don't necessarily think guys are being negative, it's just that a LOT of us have seen stock blocks break going mid 10's, and you're obviously shooting to go much quicker than that........ so it's surprising..... Usually, by the time the money is spent to make a stock block live behind some really good HP, you could've put another $500 or $1,000 with that money spent and have a new block......

I've got a good 230 casting 400 that's making about 590HP and I'm afraid to spray 150, even with a good tune-up......

Good luck with it......

Wayne

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Thanks for sharing your Wayne.

First, we're not like ALOT of other guys...Second, I wanted the stock block. My Duster's first priority is to be a street car.
When we took all factors into consideration, no matter what block I use, aside from adding main caps, it will cost about the same for all machining ops and block prep. Buying an aftermarket block adds upwards of $1000 depending on what block we chose.
I have 3 complete 340 engines that I've had for over 13 years...I don't have a race block nor do I have the funds for a race block...another reason it made sense for me to stick with the stock block....not to mention, if Scott can make a stock chevy 350 cid live in an 800 PLUS 5100 lb truck running 11's (see my other post), then I have all the faith in the world that he can make my little stock 340 make 750 to the flywheel!

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You always have the coolest projects! And I didn't know you were a 'her' LOL. Did that white shirt get dirty?

Keep us posted!

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hahaha...prosport! Sorry, I'm a "her"!! Should I burp and fart, and scratch myself when replying to make ya feel better?!! LOL!
My sweatshirt didn't get dirty that time! LOL! I'm sure in the next few months, I'll be covered in crap from head to toe! I have every intention of doing as much as I can on this build with Scott. I'm really excited and can't wait to get into the build!
I've always been a die-hard mopar chick....my first car ever was a POS 73 Barracuda that I bought all by myself....my parents thought I was nuts and I'll never forget the looks on their faces when I brought it home! That was my favorite car ever, and still is to this day!

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"Looks like its going to be a cool car, a cool car with some split cylinder walls, we have split cylinder walls on half grouted blocks making less power than what is being talked about here.
So what HP level will we be at when the block splits? What are you willing to wager when we prove you wrong? Bill"

No need to wager, sounds like you know a lot more about it than I. I have no experience with forced induction, but my experience running high compression small blocks tracks with what Wayne says, when they can easily run 10.50s its just a matter of time before they split a cylinder wall.

Like I said good luck, I wish you well,
Bill

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Thanks for the well wishes Bill, but, let me ask you this if you don't mind.
Knowing very little about forced induction, why would your first statement in this thread state how it can't be done and we're going to split the block???

Again, I'm going to say it how I feel, and I mean no disrespect to anyone here....
Forced induction is like black magic voo-doo to the mopar crowd. you guys are so stuck in the "old school" mentality and as a whole, you're not open to any new innovations.
Which is cool but don't expect much more than what you already get...the same results you've been getting! Where would this world be if Edison didn't think outside the box and make a light bulb?
That's what we do...we think outside the box and make Mopars go fast as hell! On stock parts! Take it or leave it, we innovate HP's...
We're not Barton, we're not Indy...we don't build motors like they do.
We're SDCE! And we specialize in forced induction.
The "old school" guys told us all the same things you guys are saying word for word...and they were saying it for the same reasons you all say it. Because they know very little about it.
It's funny that about 10 years ago we had a conversation with Ray Barton and he laughed at us and told us there's no way we'd be able to do it....when we asked why not, he clammed up and walked away!!! Because he didn't know...
hm...it's funny how Barton sells supercharger stuff now though....
There's no reason why forced induction can't work for mopars old and new. The OEM puts superchargers and turbos on many factory cars. the chevy and ford aftermarket crowds have accepted it with open arms and have for MANY years now....
So get with the times you mopar guys! Old school and retro is cool and we certainly appreciate it. But if you're after something new, different, and faster, you need to think outside the box and consider forced induction....hang on for the ride and we'll show you how....like we've been trying to for the last 15 freakin' years! LOL!

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No need to wager, sounds like you know a lot more about it than I. I have no experience with forced induction, but my experience running high compression small blocks tracks with what Wayne says, when they can easily run 10.50s its just a matter of time before they split a cylinder wall.

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I seen some that split more then a cylinder wall lol.

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Good lookin' Duster fastfish. Do you guys have any job openings, maybe need a CAD tech.? I really like your out of the box approach to things and would love to contribute to a company like yours.

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Hi Ryan,

We're always looking for good help! But aren't we a bit of a commute from Michigan???

Do you have any solidworks experience? email me your resume.... sdconcepts@yahoo.com

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I'm not trying to start a war but...

Why does it only take 850hp to get the duster to go high 8's, but it takes 1300hp Big Block to get the challenger to go mid-8's?

It's not THAT much lighter...

Like I said, no disrespect, but comments like that make us continue not to believe in the "voodoo black magic" of boost...

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