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How did you end up with all this for the same car?
Sure adds a few more flies to the ointment.
I can't afford this.
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Quote from my most recent post in the broadcast sheet section since it applies here also... Broadcast sheet for 1970 440-6 Cuda with Shaker hood, the VIN is BS23V0B157390
It is free to the owner of the car with proof of ownership & proof the car still exists.
Thanks to Brian over in B.C. Canada for sending it in.
Barry <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/boogie.gif" alt="" /> Claimed & mailed to the owner of the car yesterday. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/boogie.gif" alt="" /> Cecil sent in the two broadcast sheets he found in his bucket seats, they are for; BS23V0B157442 & BH23G0B166082 Note the spread in VINs, the scheduled production dates are 11 days apart. The broadcast sheet print sequence numbers are only 4 apart, so we have yet another case where the cars were actually produced out of VIN sequence. Both sheets are free to the owners of the cars with proof of legal ownership.
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True production dates are guesswork at best.I'd say for the majority of Mopars the true date is +/- 2 weeks of the date stamped on the fender tag; excluding package cars that use a common date ie A12's.This early 69 Fury is a good example.The SO # in the upper right corner is 803...this is the date stamped on the fender tag.The car was actually shipped to the dealer on 8-16.The scheduled date is 7-25.....I'm not positive but I think this is the date that the car was actually scheduled to have been shipped.??
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One thing for sure...for the most part VIN's and the date stamped on fender tags run hand in hand.Example: the above poster with the St Louis B Body with the B08 date...Vin # will be in the 9G162xxx to 9G163xxx range.Again excluding package cars...440 Darts,A12's etc this is nearly always true but every once in a while there is a wild car(d).
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Very possible.  I have mostly been looking at 1970 Hamtramck cars, but I would like to see scans of the sheets you found if possible? If you have not contacted him yet, I am sure that Chris at the 1970 Charger Registry would like to see them too.
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First time I have seen this scenario. Same plant. Same model. Identical options except for the ones that affect color. Sequential VINs. Sequential VONs. different scheduled production dates I have no clue what it means, but pretty dang cool to see. Thanks to Bill in CA for sending these to me. 
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The broadcast sheet for 985 was in with the stuff you sent also, it is not coded as a sales bank car or as an ordered car.  I see that a lot. Just strange (and cool) that these two have different dates. Yes, I do know I need to get out more.  Barry
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different scheduled production dates
I have no clue what it means, but pretty dang cool to see. Thanks to Bill in CA for sending these to me.
I agree that it is cool to see 35 years later, but I'd "assume" there will be a last car & first car scheduled every day and more often than not their VIN#s will be sequential.
Has anyone ever seen any numbers showing "sales bank" VS. "SOLD" car production numbers?
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I just thought it was interesting that it caught my eye that on the second tag, the font was stamped much higher up than the first tag. was this a "tag placement in the machine" thing, or it was set each day and all tags from that day would be stamped in the same location?
Maybe this is a very common thing, but to have the two consecutive tags next to eachother, I noticed it quickly.
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Possible for sure.
Tracking a cars dates codes can be educational too. My T/A has a SPD of 417. The original engine has a final assembly date five days later, so my car was likey made at least 6 days late. 
My 69 Bee has an SPD of 2/10 , the original engine was assembled on 2/11
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True production dates are guesswork at best.I'd say for the majority of Mopars the true date is +/- 2 weeks of the date stamped on the fender tag; excluding package cars that use a common date ie A12's.This early 69 Fury is a good example.The SO # in the upper right corner is 803...this is the date stamped on the fender tag.The car was actually shipped to the dealer on 8-16.The scheduled date is 7-25.....I'm not positive but I think this is the date that the car was actually scheduled to have been shipped.??
Ideas?
One thing for sure...for the most part VIN's and the date stamped on fender tags run hand in hand.Example: the above poster with the St Louis B Body with the B08 date...Vin # will be in the 9G162xxx to 9G163xxx range.Again excluding package cars...440 Darts,A12's etc this is nearly always true but every once in a while there is a wild car(d).
Not to hijack the subject but checkout the........
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The 927 and 10-72 would make it an early (er) car, as the model year starts in august.
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FWIW, I was told by D.ick Maxwell that Production Planning and Fleet Engineering collaborated on a lot of production line issues. Their job was to “Keep the line moving” and if there were delays of components or unscheduled rush order (i.e. the seven police cars), order cancellation, late decision to introduce a new model or sales program (i.e. A12, A13, “Spring Special”, etc.) then that bumped or move a cars SPD forward or back. At the time of the order it is only a “Scheduled (planned) Production Date and lots can happen between those dates. The A12’s had issues with intake manifolds from Edelbrock and I’m sure that had some affect on the SPD and then I heard some A12’s were bunched up because of the lift-off-hood production, they were not shipped one hood at a time and needed “special handling”. I guess it should have been called PSPD for “Planned” Scheduled Production Date. On a related note I ordered two trucks from Ford a few years ago and was given a mid-January SPD and went ahead and scheduled High Tech Trailers to have them painted at the beginning of February and then scheduled the graphics company to do the graphics at the end of February when the paint had a little time to set up. Ford had delays with the new diesel and then more delays and we finally got the two trucks at the beginning of APRIL!!! They still had the mid-January SPD, so it still happens to this day, it’s only a planned date for production and when Chrysler started assembly of the chassis in Body-in-White the fender tag was made and at that point they had a “plan” to build and finish the car by or around the SPD but who knows what the date was when the tag was punched? What do you think Barry?
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The 1969 A12 cars have two SPDs for all of them, is that right? Everyone knows not all of them were not all built on those two days, right? All Superbirds have one SPD, right? Everyone knows not all of them were not all built on the same day, right? The SPD has nothing to do with the actual build day unless it just happened by accident. Even then, there is no way to know the actual build day unless you have a newer model with the MDH Mylar door stickers or some other record that actually notes it (or alludes to it). The few I have been able to check so far have been off from the SPD. As always, research continues.
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Just re-thinking at which point they may have put the FMVSS/CMVSS label on with the MDH info.....possibly when they installed the last component regulated by the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards on the car so they knew which cars they might be ordered by the Feds to recall. Could have been the wheels and tires, the wipers, or whatever was in these regs as of 1973 (I think up to FMVSS 214 back then). Take a look at PART 566 and then PART 567 kind of goes with the GVWR on the label in the bulletin you posted. http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/FMVSS/index.html#SN202
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I forgot to look last night but I let someone from CC.com know about the MDH and he looked on his early production 73 Cuda. The MDH is 101810. The SPD is A26 and the door sticker says 10-72.
He is the origonal owner and he said he picked his new car up at the dealership on October 30th.
So, what I'm reading here in this thread seems to me that the SPD is the approximate or "scheduled" date that the vehicle will be ready to be shipped or leave the assembly plant for delivery to its final destination and not the scheduled day to start its production. It seems to be a date that even if it is intended for the media department across the street or town or for an in-house project at the other end of the plant the SPD is a date everyone can "kind off" work with for planning around it. (for example the very first post by Barry when destination charge payment was due). Not a drop-dead date but something that is at least a target for all to shoot at.
I would guess that from product planning to Body-in-White to the number of train cars to transport trucks needed to deliver the car can or would have been planned around the SPD. If the plant had a capacity of 1,000 cars per day then there should be a 1,000 fender tags with the same SPD....oops going off again...sorry.
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In most cases the SPD was the date they hoped to build the car when the order was first entered into the system. Cool to see the example above being built 8 days early.
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Great stuff Barry and this certainly explained the mystery of the two 'cuda buildsheets we spoke of. I was surprised to see a 'cuda at Carlilse with an SPD of 418 (1970) which I know was a Saturday!!!
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Do Canadian plant workers celebrate the 4th of July? 
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carry on just having some ice cold Molsen
No but they do celebrate Canada Day on July 1st unless it falls on a Sunday which in this case it did in 1973 so they celebrated Canada Day on Monday the 2nd which spilled (beer) over into the 4th because everyone knows Canadian beer especially Molson beer is better than any beer and that's the reason for the delay  
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Another one from BossRide, this one has a much larger gap in dates. SPD on the fender tag is 616 for June 16, 1973;
Is this an original tag ??? looks TOO good
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The zeros have a / through them, a few folks mistake them for twos.
I guess I was thrown off becuse Nov 12th is the anniversary of my birth?
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Barry I can not remember what happened in the strike years if Chrysler was the company that was the strike target or the second or the third to have there contract signed or not. I believe 1984 was a strike year in Canada. I believe the strike at General Motors was 21 days. I can not remember the other years before this. In Canada the contract before 1985 were all 3 year contracts. This meaning 1981,1978,1975,1972 could be strike years. I know in the USA each local has its strike time. This could be some reasons why the paper work would say: Example Seq. Build date of 10-11 and the vehicle because of a srike would delay the vehicle being built by the strike time to 10-29. This is just one of the reasons the build would be delayed for periods of time.
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Any way you cut it the SPD is set in stone by Chrysler.Its stamped on the fender tag.It's on all factory and dealer documentation.It is used by the Parts Department for determining parts procurement....."up to and after" dates.Correct or not it is the date that Chrysler intended to assemble the car.Again correct or not it is your cars birthday.....Chrysler says so.
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I would say that is the original transmission for your car.It has the right production date window.I have seen other A833's with the VIN # stamped and no other info on the pad.I have a 2817 A833 on my database that was for a 422 SPD as well as a 2819 A833 that was for a 430 SPD.Your RR should have a sequence # in the 9G251xxx to 9G2522xx range.
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My 69 has a B08 fender tag,which was Friday Nov. 8 1968. It was a St Louis car. I took delivery Monday Nov.11. Is it possible the car was built before Nov 8? It would have been possible to get it to the dealership over the wk. end.
Your car has the same birthday as mine. But mine arrived at the dealer quite a bit later. Here's the dates:
9/21/68 - I ordered the car, a Barracuda 340-S notchback with A/C, console, deluxe interior, M4, fast steering, front drums.
11/8/68 - SPD, despite the salesman told me delivery in 4-6 weeks.
11/8/68 - date code on the transmission.
11/9/68 - date code on the rear brake hose.
11/11/68 - date codes on one wheel and one bucket seat.
11/12/68 - date codes on two wheels.
11/28/68 - Thanksgiving Day I found the car at the dealer, so it must have arrived on Wednesday, 11/27, from Hamtramck.
11/29/68 - I took delivery of the car missing a Hurst knob.
11/30/68 - Got the knob. (Does this count as the assembly date?)
About 2008 - 40 years later, I discovered the 340-S emblems were missing too. Therefore, the car never really got fully assembled after all.
Judging from the arrival date at the Houston dealer, the car must have left Hamtramck quite a few days after the SPD. Or maybe the dealer didn't pay up on time.
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I was close, very late '72 & all '73 models;
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/TSBs/1972/25-09-72C%20page_1.jpg
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/TSBs/1972/25-09-72C%20page_2.jpg
For those with these labels among us, can you post the SPD from your fender tag / broadcast sheet & the MDH on your door sticker please?
Here is mine. Scheduled production date on fender tag of B28 (November 28, 1972). MMDDHH of 112409. That would be the Friday after Thanksgiving (USA) at 9 AM, four days before schedule on Nov. 24th.
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Heres a 70 Duster Invoice.Fender tag SPD C18......shipped 12-18.
Built ?
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Another 70 Duster.Fender tag SPD 605...shipped June 5th.
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 per the 3 copies that Nigel posted of the DEALER COPY of the VEHICLE INVOICEthe "scheduled date" appears to be the actual paperwork date the car's SPD was assigned, as they all precede the SPD. the "shipping date" appears to be the actual shipping date, before or after the SPD.
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Great stuff Barry and this certainly explained the mystery of the two 'cuda buildsheets we spoke of. I was surprised to see a 'cuda at Carlilse with an SPD of 418 (1970) which I know was a Saturday!!!
They worked on Saturdays too, didn't they? I had a 440 block with an EAD of 4 26.
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My '70 Challenger R/T - VIN# JS23N0B405351 has a 702 SPD (Tuesday, July 2, 1970).
The "SEQUENCE NUMBER" per the b'cast sheet (found in passenger bucket seat back), upper left - Line 1 is 1 105086.
This "SEQUENCE NUMBER" appears to be 14,000+/- units (cars) late for a 702 scheduled car. With production wrapping up for 1970 & I'll assume units per day on a decline, how late in the model year was this car actually built?
I just came across a b'cast sheet copy from a '70 340 Challenger - VIN# JH23H0B4404?0 with a 730 SPD (Thursday, July 30, 1970).
The "SEQUENCE NUMBER" per the b'cast sheet, upper left - Line 1 is 1 104164. 
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from a '70 340 Challenger - VIN# JH23H0B440400 with a 730 SPD (Thursday, July 30, 1970).
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Another update. I went through all my photos of original Mylar door stickers that I have on file for 1970 Hamtramck cars so far. Out of 428 of them, I also had the scheduled production date from the fender tag or other paperwork for 302 cars. Of those 302 cars, 17 were built early (prior month on the sticker) 30 were built late (later month on the sticker) One of them was built at least 33 days late, 929 SPD with a Mylar date of 11-69. I will start on the 1970 LA car Mylars next. If anyone has a photo of any original 1970 model year Mylar door sticker from any LA or Hamtramck built car, please email it to me? 
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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
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My '70 Challenger R/T - VIN# JS23N0B405351 has a 702 SPD (Tuesday, July 2, 1970). The "SEQUENCE NUMBER" per the b'cast sheet (found in passenger bucket seat back), upper left - Line 1 is 1 105086. This "SEQUENCE NUMBER" appears to be 14,000+/- units (cars) late for a 702 scheduled car. With production wrapping up for 1970 & I'll assume units per day on a decline, how late in the model year was this car actually built? ----------------------------------- What month the door Mylar states should be the answer to how late in year, right? My '70 Barracuda also from Hamtramck has 703 SPD, is sequence 1 091675 and mylar is 6-70. And is a little over 2000 units later concerning VIN sequence. Admire the work so far thanks for the time spent men. 
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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
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02/06/15 12:30 PM
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My '70 Challenger R/T - VIN# JS23N0B405351 has a 702 SPD (Tuesday, July 2, 1970).
The "SEQUENCE NUMBER" per the b'cast sheet (found in passenger bucket seat back), upper left - Line 1 is 1 105086.
This "SEQUENCE NUMBER" appears to be 14,000+/- units (cars) late for a 702 scheduled car. With production wrapping up for 1970 & I'll assume units per day on a decline, how late in the model year was this car actually built?
I am going to split the two cars up, just to avoid any confusion.
There is no way to know exactly how many cars were built after yours on assembly line one, but there were at least 1,976 cars after it.
If broadcast sheet data ever surfaced for all the cars on this line then an exact number could be determined.
The broadcast sheet sequence numbers were also subject to changes. I have seen two with the same number, on the bottom of the second one it was printed out again with an A after it to note that the two builds were different.
There is another one with a note at the bottom that says something like JOB X XXXXXX NOW FOLLOWS JOB X XXXXXX, so the sequence numbers while used to track the build, could be mixed on the line if a situation arose.
What does the door sticker show for the month on this car?
To narrow down an actual window of production you can note all the date codes from original parts on the car & enter them into a spreadsheet.
Hamtramck assigned VINs to cars on both assembly lines, but the sheets for Assembly Line 2 builds used their own separate numbers. So there are units per day per line & overall units per day for the plant.
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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
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02/06/15 12:36 PM
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My '70 Barracuda also from Hamtramck has 703 SPD, is sequence 1 091675 and mylar is 6-70. And is a little over 2000 units later concerning VIN sequence.
Admire the work so far thanks for the time spent men.
It was built early then for some reason, like my Valiant mentioned above.
I have two sheets on file, the VINs are close to 30,000 apart but the cars were 4 builds apart on the assembly line.
Also, just for anyone reading all this, Hamtramck broadcast sheet sequence numbers used a different system that the other plants.
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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
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02/06/15 12:45 PM
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Barry, got a few b'casts you could provide the top left info?
I have several, but I do not post or share registry member's data. If they want to share their data or put it out in public they can, but it is not my place to do so for them.
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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
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02/06/15 03:58 PM
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Barry, got a few b'casts you could provide the top left info?
I have several, but I do not post or share registry member's data. If they want to share their data or put it out in public they can, but it is not my place to do so for them.
..... but don't you have sheets & info donated to "HELP THE CAUSE" that does NOT have a current owner except you ("H-H")? Sitting on piles of info hoping to some day find the matching car for a very small portion of them is wishful thinking & wasteful.
Posting that's "not correct" & providing NO documentary or evidence to the contrary is like having a missing piece of the puzzle & NOT sharing it.
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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
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02/06/15 04:32 PM
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Barry, got a few b'casts you could provide the top left info?
I have several, but I do not post or share registry member's data. If they want to share their data or put it out in public they can, but it is not my place to do so for them.
..... but don't you have sheets & info donated to "HELP THE CAUSE" that does NOT have a current owner except you ("H-H")? Sitting on piles of info hoping to some day find the matching car for a very small portion of them is wishful thinking & wasteful.
Posting that's "not correct" & providing NO documentary or evidence to the contrary is like having a missing piece of the puzzle & NOT sharing it.
I do not 'own' the found items, I am just the caretaker.
Wasteful? 395 items claimed so far, I am pretty sure that none of the owners of those cars think what I do is wasteful.
If the owners of any of the claimed items want to post them, that is up to them.
I have never asked anyone to take my word for anything. If I say something & it does not seem right, I am open to being proved wrong. No one learns anything by being right all the time & I know I have made mistakes. I also encourage people to do their own research.
If you have a bone to pick with me on a personal level, email please? It would be a shame if the thread derailed.
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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
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02/06/15 05:28 PM
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My '70 Challenger R/T - VIN# JS23N0B405351 has a 702 SPD (Tuesday, July 2, 1970).
The "SEQUENCE NUMBER" per the b'cast sheet (found in passenger bucket seat back), upper left - Line 1 is 1 105086.
This "SEQUENCE NUMBER" appears to be 14,000+/- units (cars) late for a 702 scheduled car. With production wrapping up for 1970 & I'll assume units per day on a decline, how late in the model year was this car actually built?
I am going to split the two cars up, just to avoid any confusion.
There is no way to know exactly how many cars were built after yours on assembly line one, but there were at least 1,976 cars after it.
Thank you. & I understand that an exact number is not probable, but as you titled the thread "estimated production dates" - that's what I'm looking to determine/help understand.
So, the highest 1970 model year HAMTRAMCK LINE #1 SEQUENCE NUMBER you've seen is "1 107062"?
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If broadcast sheet data ever surfaced for all the cars on this line then an exact number could be determined.
The broadcast sheet sequence numbers were also subject to changes. I have seen two with the same number, on the bottom of the second one it was printed out again with an A after it to note that the two builds were different.
There is another one with a note at the bottom that says something like JOB X XXXXXX NOW FOLLOWS JOB X XXXXXX, so the sequence numbers while used to track the build, could be mixed on the line if a situation arose.
What does the door sticker show for the month on this car?
Yes, I know there are exceptions to most rules/procedures/etc. Not looking for exacts, but I am looking for more than "my car was built later than its 702-SPD". 7 - 70
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To narrow down an actual window of production you can note all the date codes from original parts on the car & enter them into a spreadsheet.
Hamtramck assigned VINs to cars on both assembly lines, but the sheets for Assembly Line 2 builds used their own separate numbers. So there are units per day per line & overall units per day for the plant.
Can you share the highest 1970 model year HAMTRAMCK LINE #2 SEQUENCE NUMBER you've seen: "2 2xxxxx" & its SPD?
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