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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
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 per the 3 copies that Nigel posted of the DEALER COPY of the VEHICLE INVOICEthe "scheduled date" appears to be the actual paperwork date the car's SPD was assigned, as they all precede the SPD. the "shipping date" appears to be the actual shipping date, before or after the SPD.
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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
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Great stuff Barry and this certainly explained the mystery of the two 'cuda buildsheets we spoke of. I was surprised to see a 'cuda at Carlilse with an SPD of 418 (1970) which I know was a Saturday!!!
They worked on Saturdays too, didn't they? I had a 440 block with an EAD of 4 26.
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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
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My '70 Challenger R/T - VIN# JS23N0B405351 has a 702 SPD (Tuesday, July 2, 1970).
The "SEQUENCE NUMBER" per the b'cast sheet (found in passenger bucket seat back), upper left - Line 1 is 1 105086.
This "SEQUENCE NUMBER" appears to be 14,000+/- units (cars) late for a 702 scheduled car. With production wrapping up for 1970 & I'll assume units per day on a decline, how late in the model year was this car actually built?
I just came across a b'cast sheet copy from a '70 340 Challenger - VIN# JH23H0B4404?0 with a 730 SPD (Thursday, July 30, 1970).
The "SEQUENCE NUMBER" per the b'cast sheet, upper left - Line 1 is 1 104164. 
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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
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from a '70 340 Challenger - VIN# JH23H0B440400 with a 730 SPD (Thursday, July 30, 1970).
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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
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Another update. I went through all my photos of original Mylar door stickers that I have on file for 1970 Hamtramck cars so far. Out of 428 of them, I also had the scheduled production date from the fender tag or other paperwork for 302 cars. Of those 302 cars, 17 were built early (prior month on the sticker) 30 were built late (later month on the sticker) One of them was built at least 33 days late, 929 SPD with a Mylar date of 11-69. I will start on the 1970 LA car Mylars next.  If anyone has a photo of any original 1970 model year Mylar door sticker from any LA or Hamtramck built car, please email it to me? 
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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
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My '70 Challenger R/T - VIN# JS23N0B405351 has a 702 SPD (Tuesday, July 2, 1970). The "SEQUENCE NUMBER" per the b'cast sheet (found in passenger bucket seat back), upper left - Line 1 is 1 105086. This "SEQUENCE NUMBER" appears to be 14,000+/- units (cars) late for a 702 scheduled car. With production wrapping up for 1970 & I'll assume units per day on a decline, how late in the model year was this car actually built? ----------------------------------- What month the door Mylar states should be the answer to how late in year, right? My '70 Barracuda also from Hamtramck has 703 SPD, is sequence 1 091675 and mylar is 6-70. And is a little over 2000 units later concerning VIN sequence. Admire the work so far thanks for the time spent men. 
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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
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My '70 Challenger R/T - VIN# JS23N0B405351 has a 702 SPD (Tuesday, July 2, 1970).
The "SEQUENCE NUMBER" per the b'cast sheet (found in passenger bucket seat back), upper left - Line 1 is 1 105086.
This "SEQUENCE NUMBER" appears to be 14,000+/- units (cars) late for a 702 scheduled car. With production wrapping up for 1970 & I'll assume units per day on a decline, how late in the model year was this car actually built?
I am going to split the two cars up, just to avoid any confusion.
There is no way to know exactly how many cars were built after yours on assembly line one, but there were at least 1,976 cars after it.
If broadcast sheet data ever surfaced for all the cars on this line then an exact number could be determined.
The broadcast sheet sequence numbers were also subject to changes. I have seen two with the same number, on the bottom of the second one it was printed out again with an A after it to note that the two builds were different.
There is another one with a note at the bottom that says something like JOB X XXXXXX NOW FOLLOWS JOB X XXXXXX, so the sequence numbers while used to track the build, could be mixed on the line if a situation arose.
What does the door sticker show for the month on this car?
To narrow down an actual window of production you can note all the date codes from original parts on the car & enter them into a spreadsheet.
Hamtramck assigned VINs to cars on both assembly lines, but the sheets for Assembly Line 2 builds used their own separate numbers. So there are units per day per line & overall units per day for the plant.
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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
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My '70 Barracuda also from Hamtramck has 703 SPD, is sequence 1 091675 and mylar is 6-70. And is a little over 2000 units later concerning VIN sequence.
Admire the work so far thanks for the time spent men.
It was built early then for some reason, like my Valiant mentioned above.
I have two sheets on file, the VINs are close to 30,000 apart but the cars were 4 builds apart on the assembly line.
Also, just for anyone reading all this, Hamtramck broadcast sheet sequence numbers used a different system that the other plants.
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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
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Barry, got a few b'casts you could provide the top left info?
I have several, but I do not post or share registry member's data. If they want to share their data or put it out in public they can, but it is not my place to do so for them.
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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
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Barry, got a few b'casts you could provide the top left info?
I have several, but I do not post or share registry member's data. If they want to share their data or put it out in public they can, but it is not my place to do so for them.
..... but don't you have sheets & info donated to "HELP THE CAUSE" that does NOT have a current owner except you ("H-H")? Sitting on piles of info hoping to some day find the matching car for a very small portion of them is wishful thinking & wasteful.
Posting that's "not correct" & providing NO documentary or evidence to the contrary is like having a missing piece of the puzzle & NOT sharing it.
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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
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Barry, got a few b'casts you could provide the top left info?
I have several, but I do not post or share registry member's data. If they want to share their data or put it out in public they can, but it is not my place to do so for them.
..... but don't you have sheets & info donated to "HELP THE CAUSE" that does NOT have a current owner except you ("H-H")? Sitting on piles of info hoping to some day find the matching car for a very small portion of them is wishful thinking & wasteful.
Posting that's "not correct" & providing NO documentary or evidence to the contrary is like having a missing piece of the puzzle & NOT sharing it.
I do not 'own' the found items, I am just the caretaker.
Wasteful? 395 items claimed so far, I am pretty sure that none of the owners of those cars think what I do is wasteful.
If the owners of any of the claimed items want to post them, that is up to them.
I have never asked anyone to take my word for anything. If I say something & it does not seem right, I am open to being proved wrong. No one learns anything by being right all the time & I know I have made mistakes. I also encourage people to do their own research.
If you have a bone to pick with me on a personal level, email please? It would be a shame if the thread derailed.
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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
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My '70 Challenger R/T - VIN# JS23N0B405351 has a 702 SPD (Tuesday, July 2, 1970).
The "SEQUENCE NUMBER" per the b'cast sheet (found in passenger bucket seat back), upper left - Line 1 is 1 105086.
This "SEQUENCE NUMBER" appears to be 14,000+/- units (cars) late for a 702 scheduled car. With production wrapping up for 1970 & I'll assume units per day on a decline, how late in the model year was this car actually built?
I am going to split the two cars up, just to avoid any confusion.
There is no way to know exactly how many cars were built after yours on assembly line one, but there were at least 1,976 cars after it.
Thank you. & I understand that an exact number is not probable, but as you titled the thread "estimated production dates" - that's what I'm looking to determine/help understand.
So, the highest 1970 model year HAMTRAMCK LINE #1 SEQUENCE NUMBER you've seen is "1 107062"?
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If broadcast sheet data ever surfaced for all the cars on this line then an exact number could be determined.
The broadcast sheet sequence numbers were also subject to changes. I have seen two with the same number, on the bottom of the second one it was printed out again with an A after it to note that the two builds were different.
There is another one with a note at the bottom that says something like JOB X XXXXXX NOW FOLLOWS JOB X XXXXXX, so the sequence numbers while used to track the build, could be mixed on the line if a situation arose.
What does the door sticker show for the month on this car?
Yes, I know there are exceptions to most rules/procedures/etc. Not looking for exacts, but I am looking for more than "my car was built later than its 702-SPD". 7 - 70
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To narrow down an actual window of production you can note all the date codes from original parts on the car & enter them into a spreadsheet.
Hamtramck assigned VINs to cars on both assembly lines, but the sheets for Assembly Line 2 builds used their own separate numbers. So there are units per day per line & overall units per day for the plant.
Can you share the highest 1970 model year HAMTRAMCK LINE #2 SEQUENCE NUMBER you've seen: "2 2xxxxx" & its SPD?
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