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Scott the other 4 door Hemi Plymouth I speek about was told to me by a person that once owned the Canadian Hemi 4 door Coronet on E Bay

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*The guy you read about in the NHOA letter owned this red car, he was from Witchita, (both the white & red cars were from the same area) I believe his name was Floyd, his name was on a special plaque on the dash.

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Yes I recall the fellow from Kansas with the two 4-door Hemi Coronet's, but his name eludes me. Floyd was the original owner of the red car with his name on a plaque located on the the dash. The owner? of white car bought the red one as well, he owned both of them, and eventually sold off the white car to Garlits I believe, then sold off the red one next, or vice-versa.

But this faded goldish 66 4-door Hemi Coronet was the very first Hemi 4-door that I ever seen in my life! I believe Harold Davies was a old nhoa director at the time, but I don't recall seeing that other nhoa article you speak of? I vaguely remember it but my memory isn't what it used to be.

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It seems like there is another guy looking for that same green 66 4-door Belvedere II Hemi car that you speak of, unless this other person is related to you?

http://www.thehemi.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12540

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Thanks for locating this!

OK- this must be Allen Bull. On the phone with my father regarding this. Also- waiting on a user ID for that forum in order to reply to that thread.

As for the 150 mph speedo: my father swapped in a 67 GTX speedo- retaining the odometer from the original- in late 1966.

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Yes, I was editing when you posted, I see it. Strange, I don't see a 426 Hemi decal on the air cleaner, or 426 Hemi emblems (or HP2) on the lower fenders? Can you explain that? I've never seen a real Hemi car that didn't have the emblems it should have come with.

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Car was ordered in 3/66- after HP2 designation was used: correct? As stated in an earlier post: the lower fender emblems were removed by my father shortly after delivery to seal the sleeper status of the car. As for the air cleaner: I cannot advise. All I know is that the 2 engine pics were taken ( developed on slides) by a friend of my father at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds within 1 week of him getting the car- that I am certain of.

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Pretty interesting stuff...

I bet there might be someone who knew of the whererabouts of this car-but he is presently deceased. Willie Howell used to run with a lot of the guys from Paterson back in the day. He probably knew something of this car. Hey Ed, did you try to contact Jerry Stein abiut this?? I am a personal friend of Jerry and I can give him a call for you if you wish. You also should try to dig up some of the old Clifton "Gasoline Alley" guys. I do know a bunch of them still. I can reach out and see what comes of it.

Frankly, I am surprised that I never heard of this car before-especially being right in my backyard. I usually know of a lot of the obscure stuff around here.

Great story.

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Hey Mike,

I've met Jerry a few times, via a mutual friend (TS) but do not know him personally. Run it by him-and anyone else for that matter- worth a shot. It would be greatly appreciated. This car spent it's whole life in Bergen County NJ- always within a 20 mile radius of where it was delivered new (Wyckoff/River Edge/Paramus/Haworth/Paterson). When it was not traveling to/from Maryland (where my father was stationed), it was out on the streets in Bergen and Rockland Co (Nanuet/Spring Valley). Some of the racing tales I've been told of was seeing who could get from the Nanuet Hotel down to the Fireplace in Paramus, first: many high speed runs down the GSP happened in that car....

Funny you mention 'Gasoline Alley': I omitted part of my father's recanting of the car. The motor in this car was redone in 67- storyline below:

"At 52,000 miles, in mid June 1967, a piston ring broke and scored a cylinder wall, # 3, 4, 5, or 6, I don't remember which. I had purchased .040 over pistons before disassembly only to discover the score was .027" deep and the cylinder needed to be sleeved. The sleeve and all other cylinders were bored .040 over and bronze guides were installed in the heads along with new exhaust valves. This work was done by Dick Simonek on "gasoline Alley" in Paterson. The car was back in service on 7/14/67. "

I am 99% sure only the motor was taken there: not the car also. Just a small tid-bit. If you come up with anything, drop me a line: again- thanks.

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Hey...this is NEAT. LOVE the pics and story. It would be awesome if this car was still around. Just curious ED, did your father receive an insurance settlement for the theft? With all the stories about stolen cars being found lately, it would be cool if this one turned up.

Joe

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Also, for the record. I remember that the 66 Hemi Charger off Cora's (the Mauve survivor) was also was lacking the air cleaner decal. She had the dealer swap the 426 fender emblems for 383 because she was tired of street racers egging her on, it's possible the dealer also removed the air cleaner decal but she claims it was never there.

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So, are you buying the X9 '69?

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Counting up my pennies... among other things. Had I not bought the M, things would be a little different.

We'll see.

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Close inspection will show the 426 emblem behind the right front wheel and front anti-sway bar that came with the hemi option package can be seen as well.

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Close inspection will show the 426 emblem behind the right front wheel and front anti-sway bar that came with the hemi option package can be seen as well.

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Did you reinstall the badges when you bought the car? EWJ says his father removed the badges after delivery.

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1) The 426 fender emblems were not removed upon initial purchase: they were on the fenders until at least early 1972 when my father repurchased the car. Sorry for the incorrect info.

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1) The 426 fender emblems were not removed upon initial purchase: they were on the fenders until at least early 1972 when my father repurchased the car. Sorry for the incorrect info.

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That would explain the slightly grungy look of the washer bottle in the color pics, the car was at least 4-5 years old when they were taken right?

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1) The 426 fender emblems were not removed upon initial purchase: they were on the fenders until at least early 1972 when my father repurchased the car. Sorry for the incorrect info.

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That would explain the slightly grungy look of the washer bottle in the color pics, the car was at least 4-5 years old when they were taken right?

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Scott- The engine pics were taken at the time I've stated in a prior post (within 1 week of delivery). The FENDER emblems are to what I am speaking to in point "1".

Point "2" is speaking to the air cleaner decal: and when the question was raised, my father immediately responded that there was never one on his car. He then went on to say that his friend’s car never had it either- without my even asking.

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I am sure you are 100% correct in yours and your fathers recollection of what was(or wasn't), on the car when new. Just disregard all of the pinheads that think ALL of these cars HAD to be produced to the letter of the standard. They have NO clue. Often the case, especially in the early days, there were omissions, errors and other such quirks that make the point that there were no absolutes.

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I am sure you are 100% correct in yours and your fathers recollection of what was(or wasn't), on the car when new. Just disregard all of the pinheads that think ALL of these cars HAD to be produced to the letter of the standard. They have NO clue. Often the case, especially in the early days, there were omissions, errors and other such quirks that make the point that there were no absolutes.

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I am sure you are 100% correct in yours and your fathers recollection of what was(or wasn't), on the car when new. Just disregard all of the pinheads that think ALL of these cars HAD to be produced to the letter of the standard. They have NO clue. Often the case, especially in the early days, there were omissions, errors and other such quirks that make the point that there were no absolutes.

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Hey, name calling insn't called for here, I was not being derogatory in the least, I was simply asking questions because there were some things that were out of the norm, I didn't use the word "Never" or "Always" did I?

The way I read it he said that his father removed the emblems when it was new, then later read that they were'nt removed until 1972 when he bought it back. Since the emblems were not shown in the pics of the car when it was new something didn't add up.

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The vehicle was stolen July 4, 1980. The engine was likley removed and the body left on a street in Paterson, NJ. After repeated tickets left on the car, I believe it was towed and scrapped. Two months after the theft I received a summons for ignoring the tickets. I told the local police to whom I originally reported the theft to to resolve the summons.

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Egads! So you reported the vehicle stolen, yet the police issued parking tickets to you after the theft was reported. Seems strange that they never checked to see if the presumed abandoned vehicle was on file or not... especially if it was sitting on the street without an engine!

Sounds like somebody in the police department dropped the ball there!

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The car was reported stolen to the police of the town and in the county in which I lived. The parking tickets and summons were issued by the city in another county where the car had been dumped.

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I get it. Thanks for clearing that up! Too bad it had to end up that way...

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Look at the tires in the picture, they are big and meaty, not stock size. Could be 15's. Look at the front bumper on the 67 wagon, from a 68-9 plymouth.

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I am in the process of contacting Brian McCullough (3rd owner)- he is currently in the Los Angeles area.

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Still trying to contact Brian.

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Look at the tires in the picture, they are big and meaty, not stock size. Could be 15's. Look at the front bumper on the 67 wagon, from a 68-9 plymouth.

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Yep, could be anything, but when new it would have been originally equipped with 14 x 5.5 rims.



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Yeah I guess the Hemi production figure's for the Hemi 4-door's have almost doubled since this thread started, lol.

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Let's keep our feet on the ground here, in reallity the official number has not yet changed, it stands at 4 cars, 1 1967 4 door Hemi Plymouth and 3 1966 4 door Hemi Dodges. The most promising exception being the green 66 Hemi Belvedere II that "most likely" existed, but since there is no VIN evidence to solidify it as "undeniable", it technically does not count. I really hope that someday a VIN # surfaces and can prove the car was 100% authentic, even if it probably does not exist any longer.

As far as other cars that might have been built but are now long gone, we may never know unless one surfaces in the future, and with the popularity and recognition Hemi cars get, expecially a 4 door, that possibility is pretty unlikely. In the end, no matter which way you cut it, they are super rare and unusual cars.

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The VIN of this and every other 66&67 4door Hemi car is in the IBM Cards at Chrysler. Somehow if someone can get an opprotunity to look at all the IBM cards they are all in there. A search between March 22nd, and April 7th and the VIN to this 66 will appear. Could take a few days off of each end of that date range for paperwork travel and the car being delivered to dealer.

Deal is now that you tell them the VIN and prove ownership and they send the info to you. So to work it the other way would have to be somehow arranged.

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The VIN of this and every other 66&67 4door Hemi car is in the IBM Cards at Chrysler. Somehow if someone can get an opprotunity to look at all the IBM cards they are all in there. A search between March 22nd, and April 7th and the VIN to this 66 will appear. Could take a few days off of each end of that date range for paperwork travel and the car being delivered to dealer.

Deal is now that you tell them the VIN and prove ownership and they send the info to you. So to work it the other way would have to be somehow arranged.

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I've often thought about this- but even if the VIN is determined, there's no means to prove ownership or the fact of it getting stolen: the police report is long gone (inquired to the local police 4 years ago).

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I take it the title is long gone? Where did the rest of the documentation go after the car was stolen?

Thanks to all that have shared information in this thread.

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In reference to #2)on EWJ post above #5742383 - I believe EWJ's father's friend's Hemi was a 1966 yellow 4 speed convertible w/ black top & interior. Don't know if it was a Belv. or Satellite. Remember seeing the car in Bergen county NJ. Don't know who the original owner was, but car was sold to Ricky Smith - believe he lived in River Edge.
Anyone know the whereabouts of that car?

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With the vin in hand (maybe insurance company help it could be found) a vin search could be done.
I've wondered why it's so difficult to find info on retired vin's. Wreckers paperwork with state dmv offices should be someplace?
Have you checked with the selling dealership (if they are around yet)?

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I sold for two dealerships in Milwaukee in 1964-1967. They Dodge City, which was on the corner of 35th and Wi Ave., and North Ave Chrysler Ply, at 29th and North Ave. Dodge City is long gone, North Ave Chrysler Ply is now known as Emil Ewald Chrysler Ply. Some years ago i tried to see if they had any records of prior year sales as in HEMI car, and was told all gone decades ago! And with loads of foresight all of my sales records which i kept, for each and every car i sold i had given them to a friend of mine in the business when i quit selling! Later i found out he had passed away and the stuff was all trashed! As in Aw Sh*t! I can tell you that we sold every Dodge & Plymouth screw up car that they produced. Cars that were ordered w/HEMI's, and delivered w/383, and visa/versa. As in HEMI 4 Doors both Dodge & Plymouth B bodies, including a Belvedere 1 Wagon which Galen says never happened. But thats what he gets paid for! We sold lots of 2dr post cars in 66 of both Dodge and Ply. When i said all cars produced i meant delivered to the Milwaukee zone!!

I regard to your question about four door HEMI cars i can remember 2 Dodges we had, one being a 440 Coronet 4 dr Auto, Powder Blue color, The other a red stripo 4 dr Red Auto. I Drove the 440 as a Demo for about 3 weeks and sold it. You know this taking it's toll of my memory as i'm into the geezer age (70).

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I was reading an older thread on another forum and came across this interesting info!

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I sold for two dealerships in Milwaukee in 1964-1967. They Dodge City, which was on the corner of 35th and Wi Ave., and North Ave Chrysler Ply, at 29th and North Ave. Dodge City is long gone, North Ave Chrysler Ply is now known as Emil Ewald Chrysler Ply. Some years ago i tried to see if they had any records of prior year sales as in HEMI car, and was told all gone decades ago! And with loads of foresight all of my sales records which i kept, for each and every car i sold i had given them to a friend of mine in the business when i quit selling! Later i found out he had passed away and the stuff was all trashed! As in Aw Sh*t! I can tell you that we sold every Dodge & Plymouth screw up car that they produced. Cars that were ordered w/HEMI's, and delivered w/383, and visa/versa. As in HEMI 4 Doors both Dodge & Plymouth B bodies, including a Belvedere 1 Wagon which Galen says never happened. But thats what he gets paid for! We sold lots of 2dr post cars in 66 of both Dodge and Ply. When i said all cars produced i meant delivered to the Milwaukee zone!!

I regard to your question about four door HEMI cars i can remember 2 Dodges we had, one being a 440 Coronet 4 dr Auto, Powder Blue color, The other a red stripo 4 dr Red Auto. I Drove the 440 as a Demo for about 3 weeks and sold it. You know this taking it's toll of my memory as i'm into the geezer age (70).

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