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Hughes Engines - thumbs up !
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I called up Hughes today to talk about a new race cam . The guy i spoke with was super cool and it was great talking with him. Cant remember his name ... ( sorry sir ! ) We talked about parts for around 6 or 7 minutes and it was a pleasure. Very helpful , and I was pleasantly surprised that the cam I picked out was the same one he recommended. I will be spending my $$ there this winter - seems like a great mopar company !  
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Re: Hughes Engines - thumbs up !
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You going to get a lot of responses from guys who don't like Hughes. Lots of bad blood from years back between them and moparts members. They made some pretty poor choice comments towards quite a few highly regarded members of this board. I personally wont spend  there. I'm glad you haven't experienced the same treatment, and hopefully it works out for you.
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Re: Hughes Engines - thumbs up !
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You going to get a lot of responses from guys who don't like Hughes. Lots of bad blood from years back between them and moparts members. They made some pretty poor choice comments towards quite a few highly regarded members of this board.
I personally wont spend there. I'm glad you haven't experienced the same treatment, and hopefully it works out for you.
I will say the same about INDY .
They will never get a penny of my money and Im glad there are alternative pieces out there now ( Edelbrock victors , Hughes , B1 , World , Keith black , Koleno , 440Source, etc.. )
"When" I hit the lottery... you will not see an Indy part on my car.
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Re: Hughes Engines - thumbs up !
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I love how this BS keeps getting dredged up and how the internet rumor squad puts their little twist on what actually was said in a private forum most had no access to during the build ... Hughes' cams DID NOT get blamed, one highly respected member of this board, and member of the team, put the word BAD and HUGHES in the same sentence ... and not tied together ... and the dogpilers ran with it , NO ONE on the team BLAMED HUGHES. As far as the builders LACK OF KNOWLEDGE  , The only lack of knowledge was from not actually talking to Dave personally ... Everything went threw ME because I was the Project Manager ... and not having run a Hughes HTL Solid in the past since it was a fairly new Cam on the market. A lot of this internet RUMOR DOGPILING BS is what caused the riff between Hughes and some team members, aside from Dave's ego ... ... If anyone is to blame it was ME for not taking Dave serious enough on having the lifter bores BUSHED which would have required me to go over the builders head because he was on vacation and I was unable to contact him and thus I would have had to go over the builders head on it which i didn't think was a good idea partly because there was not time nor a shop close enough to where the engine was being assembled to have the job done with CONFIDENCE. I'll say this , if Dave TELLS YOU TO DO SOMETHING ... DO IT ... do it or you'll feel his wrath  There is no reason to muddy this thread with anymore HEARSAY ...
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Re: Hughes Engines - thumbs up !
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As most everybody here knows, I used to work for Dave. (Before that project) Dave is a sharp guy whether you agree with him or not.....or like him. I look up to people who are smarter than me, in spite of anybody else's opinion of them. I still talk to him on occasion and consider the time I spent there as one of the best experiences of my life.
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Re: Hughes Engines - thumbs up !
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I will say the same about INDY .
They will never get a penny of my money and Im glad there are alternative pieces out there now ( Edelbrock victors , Hughes , B1 , World , Keith black , Koleno , 440Source, etc.. )
"When" I hit the lottery... you will not see an Indy part on my car.
That's why my Indy-1 are on the shelf and I ported a set of 915's myself!
The 915's even out run the -1's 
really makes the 500" stroker Indy-1 users scratch their head
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Re: Hughes Engines - thumbs up !
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. As far as the builders LACK OF KNOWLEDGE , The only lack of knowledge was from not actually talking to Dave personally ... Everything went threw ME because I was the Project Manager ... and not having run a Hughes HTL Solid in the past since it was a fairly new Cam on the market.
There is no reason to muddy this thread with anymore HEARSAY ...
Not trying to muddy this thread. Just pointing out that the builder overlooked the lifter bore problem. (I would call that lack of knowledge you call it what you want)
And Hughes cam performed well in the contest.
Hughes is still in business and continues to test, develope and build parts for the mopar community. 
What makes YOU THINK there was a lifter bore problem ?? I don't remember you being part of the EM team ...
Yes Hughes is still in business, so are the business owners that DONATED their TIME and expertise to see the project made it to the contest.
I don't have an axe to grind with Hughes, but it seems you do with those involved in something you were not part of ?
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Re: Hughes Engines - thumbs up !
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we ran hughes engine Hydralic cams for 6-7 years in IMCA dirt track motors with a lot of success and alays spoke to Dave about what we needed more out of the corner and more straight away speed and we always listened to what we needed.He would say to check stuff and make sure and always check just to make sure e didnt miss anything.The last 3 years won 3 championships and won 30 out of 61 races.The times that Dave was not in I spoke with I believe his name was Kevin.
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Re: Hughes Engines - thumbs up !
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What makes YOU THINK there was a lifter bore problem ?? I don't remember you being part of the EM team ...
I don't have an axe to grind with Hughes, but it seems you do with those involved in something you were not part of ?
How about the best of moparts archive page 9 (engine masters) People who helped out in the build said it was the lifter bores and that bushing them fixed the issue 
So in reality YOU (em team) made ME THINK it was a lifter bore issue 
You can go back and read the whole saga if you would like. Or I could go back and Quote everybody and paste it for you.
A member gets on here to give Hughes a and right away triple threat throws in the EM debacle and a negative . According to YOU Hughes informed you about the lifter bores from the beginning. So aparently Hughes was trying to be helpful and informative but some didn't care to listen.
I have no axe to grind with anyone, I thought the EM motor made great power and was a success.
I personally have bought and delt with people involved in the EM build and Hughes. All were informative and good to deal with.
it's unfortunate that you don't really know many (if any) of the actual details but are quick to lay blame. only those "directly involved" know the whole truth and nothing but the truth. i also think the personal insults you levied are completely uncalled for and completely biased. 
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Re: Hughes Engines - thumbs up !
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My thread took a strange turn........ Im still buying a Hughes cam / lifters / and more parts from them this winter. I prefer a good Indy bashing thread myself... seems like 95% of Hughes customers are happy. 
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Re: Hughes Engines - thumbs up !
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Been using Hughes cams for a few years now. I like their cam approach ( lots of lift and making full use of the 904 lifter ). They put together some good stroker packages ( true drop ins ) and seem to be on the cutting edge of stuff. Kevin is great to work with and very knowledgeable. Dave - - - Gave me a free tour of the place last time I was over there. Think he is mellowing in his old age.
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Re: Hughes Engines - thumbs up !
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. only those "directly involved" know the whole truth and nothing but the truth. i also think the personal insults you levied are completely uncalled for and completely biased.
Where was the personal insult  Aparently you took offense cause you helped. It's not my fault the (Truth and nothing but the Truth) wasn't printed. I suppose the 9 pages in the archive are all BS OK!!!
Some people on here would make great lawyers in Fantasy Land!
Done with the dead horse now.
(493) glad to see ya giving Hughes business. I also found them to be helpful.
I have NOTHING to do with any of this....but I agree with you. If you didnt want to argue about the "truth" why didnt you just tell the truth and get it over with to begin with.
Hughes is a GREAT shop and GREAT for the Mopar community. Just as Mancini, Mazzolini, Koffel's, and anyone that sells Indy for then (Notice I didnt say Indy)
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Dave has helped me a few times on the phone, and the K1 426 kit is a great kit. Not knowing there were issues in the past until now I would of never known it, they seem like hardcore mopar guys. The instructions that come with there kits and parts are funny because they are so well explained a caveman could do it. Yes its 2010, sorta like a clean slate....lets hope everyone has a good year this year. I Even hope Eddie has a better year.
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theyve always been pleasant to me and very helpful with information and advice whenever ived called. a very supportive vender. id recomend them.
It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.
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Re: Hughes Engines - thumbs up !
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I dealt with Dave and Kevin through a ground up stroker, sixpack engine build. They get the thumbs up from me in ALL regards, price, service and innovation and results! Great guys and a great source of Mopar knowledge and support. http://www.hughesengines.com/TechArticles/13dynotest684hp500cid6pack4bbljcross012007.php
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Re: Hughes Engines - thumbs up !
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got my victors and several other parts from them and Kevin was great to deal with , even gave me a free hat at the Indy show.. PS if you read this Kevin i lost that hat while racing my horse against the neighbor so i could use another
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Re: Hughes Engines - thumbs up !
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only those "directly involved" know the whole truth and nothing but the truth. i also think the personal insults you levied are completely uncalled for and completely biased.
Where was the personal insult Aparently you took offense cause you helped. It's not my fault the (Truth and nothing but the Truth) wasn't printed. I suppose the 9 pages in the archive are all BS OK!!!
Some people on here would make great lawyers in Fantasy Land!
Done with the dead horse now.
(493) glad to see ya giving Hughes business. I also found them to be helpful.
Fantasy Land , is that where you live or did you ride in from there and then KILL the horse ???
Did you read anything I put up there ?
Dave STRONGLY SUGGESTED that we bush the lifter bores , he obviously didn't stress it enough telling me there MIGHT be an issue.
Maybe you should go back and READ the archive AGAIN then maybe you would see that there was no one in the area of SOUTH FLORIDA where the engine was being assembled that the people involved with the assembly of the engine felt confident in doing the job, there wasn't anytime to ship the block 800 or so miles , have it bushed , and then ship it back JUST IN CASE there was a problem ...
ALSO you would have seen a few of the members tell their tales of blocks that were bushed WRONG and it made things WORSE ...
One more time, I have ZERO ISSUES WITH DAVE HUGHES OR HUGHES ENGINES, if I need something, Hughes sells it ... I'LL HAPPILY BUY IT ...
I'll even go one step further , 493 dart I have the cam you want to buy from Hughes left over from the contest , it's got about maybe a dozen pulls on the dyno with SCHUBECK lifters AFTER the block was bushed, you want it, I'll GIVE it to you, just pay the shipping after you receive it and are happy with it, if you don't like it send it back and I'll reimburse you for the shipping ...
I want to apologize to the members that have to go thru this BS yet again because some people got nothing better to do than speak on a subject they KNOW NOTHING about other than some things they heard second hand or read on the internet .
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Re: Hughes Engines - thumbs up !
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sending a pm now  you PM box is full John
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