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Last i knew it was part of elite motorsports invintory.

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Yea, that was the name of the broker. They got all of the Smith's cars, parts and haulers when the Goverment got them. A real shame things ended up the way they did I have been racing with Eddie since 76'. Always was a heck of a nice guy to be around. He always had top notch cars.

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Warford's Supercuda is for sale, 100k with wescott motor, protrans, everything. An absolute steal.

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who owns the car?>
anyone have a picture of what it looks like?
i'm intrigued and a serious buyer.

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I'm a nobody with nothing to gain in this deal but I gotta say ... That is a killer deal for the SuperCuda

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Why SS/AH is your goal to become cannon fodder in a higher class than NSS

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Thanks for the picture!
what et does the car turn?
does wescott do all the wrenching on it as well for maintenence?

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You do not have to run heads-up with Barton or Wescott to win in SS. Look at Tueton and Hess last year, both did well in SS Eliminator running 8.80's. The ability to dial the car and drive the track at both ends is far more important.

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IMO there are not enough AH cars out there to worry about having to run one heads up at a divisional or national event race. Personally I woudl nto let that fact get in the way if that was what I wanted to do. Look at the other stock and super stock classes. Plenty of cars out there that win that are just under the index. With the new .3 reduction on ALL indexes and added weight to many others in Stock and SS it just made a lot of cars a lot slower, but it is across the board. All in an effort to let the new cars run hard.

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IMO there are not enough AH cars out there to worry about having to run one heads up at a divisional or national event race. Personally I woudl nto let that fact get in the way if that was what I wanted to do. Look at the other stock and super stock classes. Plenty of cars out there that win that are just under the index. With the new .3 reduction on ALL indexes and added weight to many others in Stock and SS it just made a lot of cars a lot slower, but it is across the board. All in an effort to let the new cars run hard.

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Last count there was over 46 SS/AH cars running NHRA events and more on the way.

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I see an awful lot of comments on this thread disparaging Super Stock Class Racing by people that Don't race in Super Stock Class. Money is really only number three on my list of "what it takes to compete in Super Stock Class Racing", the most important ingredient is desire, the second is determination. I have seen many SS trophies won by the slower of a particular pair of cars. If you have the desire, determination and enough $$, go for it.

At Indy a couple years back, my car wasn't running well and Dan Fletcher had me covered by over .25 seconds. In the SS/EA class final, he redlit to me.

Warford's car is a quality piece, fast enough to win, and a bargain for the money.

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General statement:Would never call you a Newbie on a budget,that would be a mis-statement Where's the love?I.am not feeling any.

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General statement:Would never call you a Newbie on a budget,that would be a mis-statement Where's the love?I.am not feeling any.

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I see an awful lot of comments on this thread disparaging Super Stock Class Racing by people that Don't race in Super Stock Class. Money is really only number three on my list of "what it takes to compete in Super Stock Class Racing", the most important ingredient is desire, the second is determination. I have seen many SS trophies won by the slower of a particular pair of cars. If you have the desire, determination and enough $$, go for it.

At Indy a couple years back, my car wasn't running well and Dan Fletcher had me covered by over .25 seconds. In the SS/EA class final, he redlit to me.

Warford's car is a quality piece, fast enough to win, and a bargain for the money.

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WOW Someone actually gets it SSR has had the desire for quite some time ,he could pull the trigger at any time to buy one .Just has to sell a car to make room.He never said there was a budget and never said he was going to every race.If he decides to try it,it would be a max effort to make a good showing.I will be in charge of tire pressure

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I see an awful lot of comments on this thread disparaging Super Stock Class Racing by people that Don't race in Super Stock Class. Money is really only number three on my list of "what it takes to compete in Super Stock Class Racing", the most important ingredient is desire, the second is determination. I have seen many SS trophies won by the slower of a particular pair of cars. If you have the desire, determination and enough $$, go for it.

At Indy a couple years back, my car wasn't running well and Dan Fletcher had me covered by over .25 seconds. In the SS/EA class final, he redlit to me.

Warford's car is a quality piece, fast enough to win, and a bargain for the money.

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WOW Someone actually gets it SSR has had the desire for quite some time ,he could pull the trigger at any time to buy one .Just has to sell a car to make room.He never said there was a budget and never said he was going to every race.If he decides to try it,it would be a max effort to make a good showing.I will be in charge of tire pressure and fart sniffing

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Or he could run in an exibitionist class making SOLO passes playin' withizelf.No threat of competition in da utter lane

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I see an awful lot of comments on this thread disparaging Super Stock Class Racing by people that Don't race in Super Stock Class. Money is really only number three on my list of "what it takes to compete in Super Stock Class Racing", the most important ingredient is desire, the second is determination. I have seen many SS trophies won by the slower of a particular pair of cars. If you have the desire, determination and enough $$, go for it.

At Indy a couple years back, my car wasn't running well and Dan Fletcher had me covered by over .25 seconds. In the SS/EA class final, he redlit to me.

Warford's car is a quality piece, fast enough to win, and a bargain for the money.

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WOW Someone actually gets it SSR has had the desire for quite some time ,he could pull the trigger at any time to buy one .Just has to sell a car to make room.He never said there was a budget and never said he was going to every race.If he decides to try it,it would be a max effort to make a good showing.I will be in charge of tire pressure and fart sniffing

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TONY,please let everyone know whats funny?
I'm curious

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Im here for ya Bob....

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'Tis better to have said "I tried"
Than to lament "I wish I had"

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That would be the creative second grade editing of the last sentence......

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............i'd like to see more pictures of the supercuda, if anyone has any, interior,engine bay, trunk,etc.

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Just hook up the truck and trailer and go get it.......You won't be disappointed.......It'll be the nicest race car you own, by far....... If I remember correctly, it won best appearing car at Indy the first time it was there.......so, yes, it's that nice......

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so does anyone know where the west virginia hemi is now?
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There were MANY!! John Baughman has one of the older ones. Call elite or Brotherton and they can probably tell you where the THREE they had went. There was also a white one at the Hemi Reunion that is owned by John ????. I will think of the last name later. Getting old does this.

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Some more of the Smith's toys.

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This was Eddie's brother Larry's car. I don't think they are speaking to each other now!!

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Why does everyone who thinks if you go SS racing you have to be at the top of the heap? Correct me if I am wrong here but one only has to run under thier index to be in the bracket race. You do not have to run 1.25 under to get in, just under. At that point you have entered a bracket race. The only caveat is when you come across a car in the saem class during eliminations, then the faster car has the advantage becuase it becomes a heads up race. So how often does that occur? From what I have seen it is a not all that often and I am willking to bet with the EXTREMELY limited number of AH cars out there that it is a very very rare occurance.

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I agree, heads-up runs in AH usually only come into effect at places like Indy and such. Most guys will take them off "high kill" in the eliminator anyway so they have a better chance of being consistent and not tearing things up.

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exactly, don't get me wrong the West Virginia Cars are absolutely beautiful, but there is no way they work as well as the modern cars out there. Elite has those cars way overpriced Im sure anyways. There are quite a few other AH cars that would be a lot better to buy,

Is Marvel's car still for sale?
Howes car is for sale
Supercuda, by far the best deal
Wescotts old car, proven winner

take your pick!! Screw selling a car just build another garage!!! lol

or just buy the mountain hemi, Tank Crosswhites new car, Holtons 65, or gtea's aluminum 64 and go SS/BA racing thats what I would do.....

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exactly, don't get me wrong the West Virginia Cars are absolutely beautiful, but there is no way they work as well as the modern cars out there. Elite has those cars way overpriced Im sure anyways. There are quite a few other AH cars that would be a lot better to buy,

Is Marvel's car still for sale?
Howes car is for sale
Supercuda, by far the best deal
Wescotts old car, proven winner

take your pick!! Screw selling a car just build another garage!!! lol

or just buy the mountain hemi, Tank Crosswhites new car, Holtons 65, or gtea's aluminum 64 and go SS/BA racing thats what I would do.....

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i wish i could build another garage. building department wont let me add another inch of space.i have 3 variances already, and they dont want to see me anymore.i maxed out my 2 acre parcel.
i've been wanting a AH Hemi for quite a while.
i want the best car for the best deal.
the more information i get the narrower the search. all this information is greatly appreciated and i am taking it all in.
i'm not looking to be the fastest out there.
but i do want to be fairly competitive.
The more i see the Supercuda,the more i'm liking it.
i like the look of wendell howes car also but the outdated parts are holding me back a little. running 8.80's seems a little slow for this style racing imo.
the west virginia is a real car which i feel might be a plus for resale but now you guys are saying its old technology and the car needs to be updated and needs a motor and tranny and converter plus who knows what else at a premium price tag .

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Warfords from a 59k mile virtually rust free car

Link to build pics

To the finished product

Link to finished pics


I had a older camera then..I appologize for the quality of some of them.
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West Virginia car was sold through Ebay over the summer. A little over 100 grand as a roller, but it WAS an original hurst car.

And the theory of a modern chassis pretty much goes out the window when you look at Daniels Dart. That is a much older Ken Keir chassis.

I thought the Howes car was a good deal, but Warfords car is a great deal. Remove the lettering and Voila, Done!

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Man Rick, that was a while ago! I don't even remember half of that stuff. Also, Superstockracer, if you think 8.80's in AH is easy to do, think again.

Mike
Also I think either car would work fine, Warford's is just a better deal for the money, and it's proven. Maybe not the newest, trickest stuff, but that doesn't really matter. Build a new 25.5 one and you'll find out how much it really costs.

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8.50's in warfords car is huge. getting .3 in this class costs thousands of $$$.
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the kind of people who buy that car have money to spend.
I have no dog in this fight.
But i am always ready to buy a " STEAL "!!!!
When a deal like that comes around, you buy now!
Seems to me you want the car, go get it.
Get a storage place for now and put another car in it.
Or buy a trailer and put 1 in there.
I know i would be making it happen no matter what.
I have cars in 3 different cities because i cant fit them all at my house.

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$75k.

It is all apart. I guess he was going to paint it and decided to change directions.

I like that car. If I hadn't spent what I did in the last year and wanted to mix it up with AH boys I would have been all over that one when it appeared.

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$75k.

It is all apart. I guess he was going to paint it and decided to change directions.

I like that car. If I hadn't spent what I did in the last year and wanted to mix it up with AH boys I would have been all over that one when it appeared.

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see John, thats what i'm talking about, ready to run for $75,000 obo.
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Are you looking for a turn key car???

I seen in the SS/AH board that Stephen Herbert has his back-up car for sale..I have seen it in person..At Holts shop and it is amazing looks like a pro-stocker with a barracuda body on top..I think Herbert was going to put a big inch hemi in it for outlaw racing..

It would be fast right out of the box.. all of Holts stuff is very fast..

I think if you could get a SS/AH car to run in the 60's and 70's you would be fine...The Super Cuda looks like a killer deal..but the lettering would have to go

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