Re: A new way for slick balancing?
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I do it the easy way I don't balance them
tried both ways,no diff,
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Re: A new way for slick balancing?
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11/29/09 10:52 AM
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I've used this on out of balance truck tires and can tell you it definitely works in that application.
You need a shielded valve stem to keep the media from getting in the valve, and it does make a mess when you pull it apart.
I dont think I would use it on a race car slick. But thats not to say it wouldn't work.
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Re: A new way for slick balancing?
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11/29/09 01:37 PM
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I do it the easy way I don't balance them
Why would you need balanced slicks when all you do is explode pinions anyway? I can't see why it wouldn't work in a tube when it can be injected in a valve stem.
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Re: A new way for slick balancing?
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I do it the easy way I don't balance them
Why would you need balanced slicks when all you do is explode pinions anyway? I can't see why it wouldn't work in a tube when it can be injected in a valve stem.
no more exploding rears. O threw the 83/4s in the trash where they belong
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Re: A new way for slick balancing?
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We run tubes in the Phoenix's and I quit balancing years ago.Made no difference.
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Re: A new way for slick balancing?
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We run tubes in the Phoenix's and I quit balancing years ago.Made no difference.
yep same here. I have had one set of slicks over the years that gave us a problem. a good set shouldn't need balancing.
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Re: A new way for slick balancing?
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I have used this in jeep tires with good luck. I currently have my spare on the front of my jeep and its got 1000 airsoft pelets in it and it works great.
I don't know how well it would work in a slick application. Since they grow and change so much during a run it might cause problems.
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Re: A new way for slick balancing?
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11/29/09 03:43 PM
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I do it the easy way I don't balance them
I read the great debate threads and went this way as well. No issue at all.
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Re: A new way for slick balancing?
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The next time any of you non-balance guys are at an event where any of the major slick manus have a truck stop and ask them if they recommend slick balancing. If you don't believe what they tell you then get some shock sensors from Racepak and look at the data you retrieve from them. See if this changes your mind.
Bob you are probably right, but at our level of bracket racing I doubt it make any difference. you make a ton more power than we do. I know for a fact it doesn't make any difference in et or 60'. we have had them balanced before and pulled the weights off. made no difference at all
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Re: A new way for slick balancing?
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I quit balancing years ago. Had no issues for a long time. Then I got a set of slicks that caused a noticeable shake in shutdown. Was in a pinch and wondered which tire was the problem. Called my shock manufacturer on the phone about something else and the subject came up. He said crawl under the car after making a pass and put your hand on each shock. Guess what one shock was noticeably warmer than the other. That tire was out of balance pretty bad. The other didn't hardly need any weight to zero out.
What warms the shock up? I can answer that. When a shock gets worked the fluid is forced to pass through restricters. The more it is worked the hotter the fluid becomes.
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Re: A new way for slick balancing?
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I quit balancing years ago. Had no issues for a long time. Then I got a set of slicks that caused a noticeable shake in shutdown. Was in a pinch and wondered which tire was the problem. Called my shock manufacturer on the phone about something else and the subject came up. He said crawl under the car after making a pass and put your hand on each shock. Guess what one shock was noticeably warmer than the other. That tire was out of balance pretty bad. The other didn't hardly need any weight to zero out.
What warms the shock up? I can answer that. When a shock gets worked the fluid is forced to pass through restricters. The more it is worked the hotter the fluid becomes.
Exactly right. As is this.
"But it does make a positive difference not only in ET & MPH, but in the life of related components, even if it's just a little bit."
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Re: A new way for slick balancing?
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So, why do you balance the wheels/tires on your truck, but not on your race car that runs maybe 3 times as fast? You put a 4 or $500 set of tires on, but won't spend 10 or 15 bucks for balancing? Even using a bubble machine is better than nothing. I would balance the tires when new, sometimes they only take an ounce or so, sometimes quite a bit more. At about 50 or 60 runs, I take 'em off and rebalance them. Always made a difference for me.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: A new way for slick balancing?
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Semi-trucks blow tires all the time, I see tire pieces on the highway every day. Where do all those beads go when that happens?
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Re: A new way for slick balancing?
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what a debate here is my i have never balanced a slick never will why ? how many you guys out here balance you're slicks at a shop ,,then go home guess what ya do ?? put screws in so you slick don't move !! so much for that balance job you just did!! plus,they do not make a balancer that will balance at the speed in which you travel! the speed range and the fast rate of change is why there is no need do what you want, yep it's only 10-15 $
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Re: A new way for slick balancing?
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Good for all sizes and all RPM's. It's accurate and not very expensive. I use it on a regular bassis, not only on the car I race, but my daily drivers also. I may be a little paranoid, but I do not trust outside shops when it come to tire balancing.
how much was that?
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Re: A new way for slick balancing?
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what a debate here is my i have never balanced a slick never will why ? how many you guys out here balance you're slicks at a shop ,,then go home guess what ya do ?? put screws in so you slick don't move !! so much for that balance job you just did!! plus,they do not make a balancer that will balance at the speed in which you travel! the speed range and the fast rate of change is why there is no need do what you want, yep it's only 10-15 $
Good for all sizes and all RPM's. It's accurate and not very expensive. I use it on a regular bassis, not only on the car I race, but my daily drivers also. I may be a little paranoid, but I do not trust outside shops when it come to tire balancing.
I agree with balancing whenever possible.
Who would even think of putting the screws in after a balance? I guess there are all kinds of people out there.
A simple bubble balance can make a world of difference. Using a balancer can help you to determine the best way to balance if you study the balance of the rim (if it's heavy enough to show up on a bubble balancer as a rim only), and the combined wheel, tire, tube, screws, tape, and whatever.
I know that when I ran my old nostalgia digger there were some unbalanced sets that shook the car and driver so hard that I couldn't see through my prescription lenses at the 1000 foot. A few well placed weights and the eyeware stayed in place.
As always, do what you want, or do what you have to do, or don't do anythying at all; but don't preach about being right about something in every situation just because your a 'right fighter'.
This post was about an alternative approach to balancing a wheel and would or could it be applied to slicks.
Of course we all learn something from the experts who don't balance and don't see value in the idea. I honestly don't care if you balance your tires. I care about learning something new, and is this something that I can benefit from.
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Re: A new way for slick balancing?
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what a debate here is my i have never balanced a slick never will why ? how many you guys out here balance you're slicks at a shop ,,then go home guess what ya do ?? put screws in so you slick don't move !! so much for that balance job you just did!! plus,they do not make a balancer that will balance at the speed in which you travel! the speed range and the fast rate of change is why there is no need do what you want, yep it's only 10-15 $
Good for all sizes and all RPM's. It's accurate and not very expensive. I use it on a regular bassis, not only on the car I race, but my daily drivers also. I may be a little paranoid, but I do not trust outside shops when it come to tire balancing.
I agree with balancing whenever possible.
Who would even think of putting the screws in after a balance? I guess there are all kinds of people out there.
A simple bubble balance can make a world of difference. Using a balancer can help you to determine the best way to balance if you study the balance of the rim (if it's heavy enough to show up on a bubble balancer as a rim only), and the combined wheel, tire, tube, screws, tape, and whatever.
I know that when I ran my old nostalgia digger there were some unbalanced sets that shook the car and driver so hard that I couldn't see through my prescription lenses at the 1000 foot. A few well placed weights and the eyeware stayed in place.
As always, do what you want, or do what you have to do, or don't do anythying at all; but don't preach about being right about something in every situation just because your a 'right fighter'.
This post was about an alternative approach to balancing a wheel and would or could it be applied to slicks.
Of course we all learn something from the experts who don't balance and don't see value in the idea. I honestly don't care if you balance your tires. I care about learning something new, and is this something that I can benefit from.
Agree with your comments - we are off topic. Since the company is located in Georgetown, Ontario, Canada - and so are you, why don't you give them a call - (905) 873-3339 - and ask?
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Re: A new way for slick balancing?
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you know how may cars ive seen with the rear tires bouncing like a basket ball in the burnout.. thats enough for me.. mine are always balanced period.. i make sure i wipe my aarse also...no matter how much of a hurry iam in.... some things are just worth the little extra time it takes ....to do it propely.. cheapst
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