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Re: Can anybody tell me about xr-2 blocks? Or p7 stuff
[Re: S/ST 3040]
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11/24/09 06:03 PM
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North Cackilacky
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Chad I would just sell your shortblock and build a alum block low deck 4" or 4.15 stroke. Unless you just have your heart set on a small block.
One day I will have something cool here.
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Re: Can anybody tell me about xr-2 blocks? Or p7 stuff
[Re: S/ST 3040]
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11/24/09 06:18 PM
11/24/09 06:18 PM
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Re: Can anybody tell me about xr-2 blocks? Or p7 stuff
[Re: 408Dust]
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11/24/09 08:54 PM
11/24/09 08:54 PM
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Leon441
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That sucks that the basically beleive stock valve angle is 20-23. So a stock Mopar with 18 does not get the weight break.
2,800 lb small block powered can run 5.50 NA. How fast you need to go to be competitive?
Career best 8.02 @ 169 at 3050# and 10" tires small block power.
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Re: Can anybody tell me about xr-2 blocks? Or p7 stuff
[Re: Leon441]
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11/24/09 09:06 PM
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north cakalaky
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Chad, sorry not to respond to your pm on junkies, I was in China at the time and was very busy....the r-3 block is definetly the most proven smallblock for big power....Leon would definetly be the guy to talk to if you need to set up for nitrous, looks like the 85mm reduced turbo will definetly limit power....what they going to let yall do on the stang...
My motor is at hensleys getting some machine work done....hopefully get it back soon, I don't know if I can afford to run with yall guys next year...I have a new set of 67mm turbos I'm going to throw on ( already made new headers) and try and cruise it some and maybe drive to the track and make a couple blasts...though I think I'll make the power to go high 130's....just don't want to beat on it that hard all the time.
65 Barracuda
All aluminum Indy HEMI with some boost!
COMING TO A TRACK NEAR YOU!
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Re: Can anybody tell me about xr-2 blocks? Or p7 stuff
[Re: Leon441]
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11/25/09 10:04 AM
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cold85
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That sucks that the basically beleive stock valve angle is 20-23. So a stock Mopar with 18 does not get the weight break.
2,800 lb small block powered can run 5.50 NA. How fast you need to go to be competitive?
5.00's-5teens
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Re: Can anybody tell me about xr-2 blocks? Or p7 stuff
[Re: instigator]
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11/25/09 10:05 AM
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Chad, sorry not to respond to your pm on junkies, I was in China at the time and was very busy....the r-3 block is definetly the most proven smallblock for big power....Leon would definetly be the guy to talk to if you need to set up for nitrous, looks like the 85mm reduced turbo will definetly limit power....what they going to let yall do on the stang...
My motor is at hensleys getting some machine work done....hopefully get it back soon, I don't know if I can afford to run with yall guys next year...I have a new set of 67mm turbos I'm going to throw on ( already made new headers) and try and cruise it some and maybe drive to the track and make a couple blasts...though I think I'll make the power to go high 130's....just don't want to beat on it that hard all the time.
funny i was in china when i sent it
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Re: Can anybody tell me about xr-2 blocks? Or p7 stuff
[Re: HotRodDave]
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11/25/09 10:53 AM
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quick77rt
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You can google the XR blocks that goes back years. Everytime I called for a block, Oh you just missed one, but we can take an order and a deposit....thank god I didnt do that like many who ended up with a r5/p7 in place of the xr motors they were supposed to get. IMO the $650 adapter plate is, was, (I had to helicoil every hole they should of for the $650 bucks) is a POS , and then waited a month for the hardware that "ARP" dropped the ball on???? How Arrington Engines name got on the plate as well as Liz Bros I will never know....Its not a quality part. Im not the only one with issues with the high buck adapter plate 
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Re: Can anybody tell me about xr-2 blocks? Or p7 stuff
[Re: quick77rt ]
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11/25/09 05:22 PM
11/25/09 05:22 PM
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State College, PA
RyanJ
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Just to clear up some misinformation in this post..... as I just got off phone W/ Kent & asked him the relevent Q's regarding the XR2 (P7 version) XR2's ARE available. 2 are being machined this week & will be delivered to customers next week @ the new motorsports show in Indianapolis. http://www.imis-indy.com/page.php?page_id=29He told me the foundry is pouring 5 more XR castings next week & if someone wanted to order an XR2 they could get the 6 cam bearing tunnel casted in to do 1 or 2 XR2's in this next casting pour, but he said as of now, he has no outstanding orders for an XR2 & all 5 will probably be cast with a traditional 5 cam bearing config to be machined into XR1 blocks..... (the XR2 takes the dedicated 6 bearing casting) All XR blocks are now being sonic tested & press tested before customer gets them. This is a different foundry than cast the first versions.... All the XR2's from first pours are @ Ricks & all have various casting/machining errors that would need to be repaired before use/sale. I know Rick had talked to me about repairing lifter bore issues on one of them a few months ago before he took his new job, I believe off top of my head that one just needed oversized lifter bushings & a bank angle correction. The 2 biggest "issues" with the XR2's is in the distributor area & cam snout... To use a conventional R5 60MM camshaft will require the snout of the cam to be machined down. & as of now a conventional R5 distributor will not work in the XR2 block, he said they can be made to work with some additional machining/fabricating.... He said the 2 that are being sold next week will be ran with belt drive front mount distributors. Also on the tall Deck XR2's, he only has 1 set of prototype water manifold spacers to run n R5 water manifold on the tall deck version, but he would either loan them out to me to make copies of or have some more made in future when need calls for it. So, there it is.... If you really want an XR2, & are willing to shell out the $3049 + shipping for one, he said he could have one in your hands by end of Dec. Current lead time on XR orders is around 1 month, based on casting pours of 5 @ time & machining time. If you missed next weeks pour, you'd be looking at End of January @ earliest for an XR2 I'm not bashing anyone, but the sad reality of a new product like this is that everyone talks about them, but when time comes to pony up the $ & actually take the chance & build something.... you end up with situation like it is now, with not a single order for an XR2. 
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Re: Can anybody tell me about xr-2 blocks? Or p7 stuff
[Re: quick77rt ]
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11/25/09 08:14 PM
11/25/09 08:14 PM
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LA360
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I really don't think many people truly understand the time and $$$ that goes into producing something like this. The money spent would equate to a home mortgage or two. The priority for them has always been the XR2 block, and it's not something that has been done before. These things take time.
AL....
Alan Jones
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Re: Can anybody tell me about xr-2 blocks? Or p7 stuff
[Re: Hemiroid]
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11/25/09 09:22 PM
11/25/09 09:22 PM
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Hmm, that's a very rosy picture you painted there Ryan. I hope it goes as suggested in your post. However, I have to ask. Weren't there some posts from people who put out the money for these blocks in the past and got ripped off for years? I may have misunderstood the situation, if so please straighten me out. I only bring it up to make those that may pony up aware of potential problems.
If that's not the case then I apologize in advance.
I am not aware of anyone giving Kent money and not getting what they paid for.
I have personally bought complete motors from Kent,
and you always get what you pay for.
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Re: Can anybody tell me about xr-2 blocks? Or p7 stuff
[Re: HEMIDARTS]
#535631
11/25/09 09:43 PM
11/25/09 09:43 PM
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Hemiroid
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Hmm, that's a very rosy picture you painted there Ryan. I hope it goes as suggested in your post. However, I have to ask. Weren't there some posts from people who put out the money for these blocks in the past and got ripped off for years? I may have misunderstood the situation, if so please straighten me out. I only bring it up to make those that may pony up aware of potential problems.
If that's not the case then I apologize in advance.
I am not aware of anyone giving Kent money and not getting what they paid for.
I have personally bought complete motors from Kent,
and you always get what you pay for.
Kent is a guy I respect, worked with him a bit when
I worked with MP. I may have misunderstood the situation or am confusing two different senarios. I have no dog in this fight, just hate seeing anyone getting worked over. If Kent is the driving force behind this project then I'm sure there's no problem with getting burned. Thanks for the reply.
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Re: Can anybody tell me about xr-2 blocks? Or p7 stuff
[Re: cold85]
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11/25/09 10:01 PM
11/25/09 10:01 PM
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State College, PA
RyanJ
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someone please give me a number of someone to call who will answer the phone
Kent's daytime # M-F is 585-596-2643, but you'll have to wait till next Monday to talk to him W/ the Hollidays. You should be able to leave him a voicemail @ that # however....
My Shop # is 814-692-4232 & will be in 9-5 on Friday, only time I don't answer is because I can't hear it ringing or am already on the line W/ someone else. But Friday is only day I will be avail in the next 5-6 as Hunting Season starts on Monday here in PA & I'm taking a few days off for that...
Dave Weber, Rick Liuzzo, & Shady Dell were the only 3 "partners" who helped Kent out $ wise on the development of the XR blocks... None of use have been "screwed" in any way.
I have only taken 1 deposit on an XR & that block will finally be done hopefully this month.
I doubt Dave W has sold any since he is mainly involved in the hew Hemi stuff now & was just helping Kent as a friendly favor as far as I know....
I can't speak for any dealing anyone may have had W/ Rick, but as far as I know no one has been "screwed" on an XR deal W/ him...
Kent told me Hughes Engines has an XR1 @ their shop right now being built.... I know Muscle motors is also going to be doing something W/ them as well.
I don't really care who sells them, we get a kickback on every block sold since we were one of the 3 original investors, so I'm not in any great need to try to push these blocks like some may think. I've preferred to play it safe & wait them out awaiting all the foundry casting issues & machining issues to be straightened out before I started trying to use them.
I know they went through SEVEN different core boxes to get a good block casting... I agree AL, I think the general public has no idea how difficult it is to pour cast iron & not get tremendous core shift, especially when you don't have a budget like DART or MP etc.
I commend Kent for his efforts, he has always been a great asset to the SB Chrysler community. He seems to be the only one W/ the desire and the funding to make these type of projects happen for us.... When he sees a need for parts he trys his best to fill it, he has ben talking about these blocks for years & years, & many thought it was a pipe dream, but as soon as he started putting up the $ I knew it would happen. He is not the kind of individual to fail @ anything he does.... He will throw $ & resources at it until it works, sometimes the most critical resource you need is time....
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Re: Can anybody tell me about xr-2 blocks? Or p7 stuff
[Re: RyanJ]
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11/26/09 01:19 AM
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I have spoken with Rick over the phone for many years and know about alot of the issues they've had with these things. Companies like Dart have been producing heads and blocks for many years and have the processes ironned out.
It is very easy to p&@s and moan from a keyboard but these guys are investing thousands and thousands of dollars into a new product for the Mopar community. If you all knew of the hurdles you'd understand the delay.
It will happen, I have faith in that!
AL....
Alan Jones
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Re: Can anybody tell me about xr-2 blocks? Or p7 stuff
[Re: RyanJ]
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11/26/09 08:29 AM
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cold85
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someone please give me a number of someone to call who will answer the phone
Kent's daytime # M-F is 585-596-2643, but you'll have to wait till next Monday to talk to him W/ the Hollidays. You should be able to leave him a voicemail @ that # however....
My Shop # is 814-692-4232 & will be in 9-5 on Friday, only time I don't answer is because I can't hear it ringing or am already on the line W/ someone else. But Friday is only day I will be avail in the next 5-6 as Hunting Season starts on Monday here in PA & I'm taking a few days off for that...
Dave Weber, Rick Liuzzo, & Shady Dell were the only 3 "partners" who helped Kent out $ wise on the development of the XR blocks... None of use have been "screwed" in any way.
I have only taken 1 deposit on an XR & that block will finally be done hopefully this month.
I doubt Dave W has sold any since he is mainly involved in the hew Hemi stuff now & was just helping Kent as a friendly favor as far as I know....
I can't speak for any dealing anyone may have had W/ Rick, but as far as I know no one has been "screwed" on an XR deal W/ him...
Kent told me Hughes Engines has an XR1 @ their shop right now being built.... I know Muscle motors is also going to be doing something W/ them as well.
I don't really care who sells them, we get a kickback on every block sold since we were one of the 3 original investors, so I'm not in any great need to try to push these blocks like some may think. I've preferred to play it safe & wait them out awaiting all the foundry casting issues & machining issues to be straightened out before I started trying to use them.
I know they went through SEVEN different core boxes to get a good block casting... I agree AL, I think the general public has no idea how difficult it is to pour cast iron & not get tremendous core shift, especially when you don't have a budget like DART or MP etc.
I commend Kent for his efforts, he has always been a great asset to the SB Chrysler community. He seems to be the only one W/ the desire and the funding to make these type of projects happen for us.... When he sees a need for parts he trys his best to fill it, he has ben talking about these blocks for years & years, & many thought it was a pipe dream, but as soon as he started putting up the $ I knew it would happen. He is not the kind of individual to fail @ anything he does.... He will throw $ & resources at it until it works, sometimes the most critical resource you need is time....
you have a message from me call it when u get a chance, thanks
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Re: Can anybody tell me about xr-2 blocks? Or p7 stuff
[Re: cold85]
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11/26/09 10:56 AM
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RyanJ
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someone please give me a number of someone to call who will answer the phone
Kent's daytime # M-F is 585-596-2643, but you'll have to wait till next Monday to talk to him W/ the Hollidays. You should be able to leave him a voicemail @ that # however....
My Shop # is 814-692-4232 & will be in 9-5 on Friday, only time I don't answer is because I can't hear it ringing or am already on the line W/ someone else. But Friday is only day I will be avail in the next 5-6 as Hunting Season starts on Monday here in PA & I'm taking a few days off for that...
Dave Weber, Rick Liuzzo, & Shady Dell were the only 3 "partners" who helped Kent out $ wise on the development of the XR blocks... None of use have been "screwed" in any way.
I have only taken 1 deposit on an XR & that block will finally be done hopefully this month.
I doubt Dave W has sold any since he is mainly involved in the hew Hemi stuff now & was just helping Kent as a friendly favor as far as I know....
I can't speak for any dealing anyone may have had W/ Rick, but as far as I know no one has been "screwed" on an XR deal W/ him...
Kent told me Hughes Engines has an XR1 @ their shop right now being built.... I know Muscle motors is also going to be doing something W/ them as well.
I don't really care who sells them, we get a kickback on every block sold since we were one of the 3 original investors, so I'm not in any great need to try to push these blocks like some may think. I've preferred to play it safe & wait them out awaiting all the foundry casting issues & machining issues to be straightened out before I started trying to use them.
I know they went through SEVEN different core boxes to get a good block casting... I agree AL, I think the general public has no idea how difficult it is to pour cast iron & not get tremendous core shift, especially when you don't have a budget like DART or MP etc.
I commend Kent for his efforts, he has always been a great asset to the SB Chrysler community. He seems to be the only one W/ the desire and the funding to make these type of projects happen for us.... When he sees a need for parts he trys his best to fill it, he has ben talking about these blocks for years & years, & many thought it was a pipe dream, but as soon as he started putting up the $ I knew it would happen. He is not the kind of individual to fail @ anything he does.... He will throw $ & resources at it until it works, sometimes the most critical resource you need is time....
you have a message from me call it when u get a chance, thanks
I'll give you a call tomorrow AM when I get back to shop.  If you really want an XR2, I will make sure he gets a 6 bearing casting produced in next weeks casting run.
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Re: Can anybody tell me about xr-2 blocks? Or p7 stuff
[Re: cold85]
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11/26/09 11:35 AM
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theclutcher
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I have been dealing with Kent for years. ALWAYS been more than fair, high quality parts, wealth of knowledge and most hospitable. Watching the struggle over the years with this and other endeavors has been inspiring. Talk about persistance, I dont know when he sleeps. To my friend... 
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