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Its really easy to make the engine a duel line system..Use the oil port by the driver timing chain cover and plumb that to one side of the oil pan pickup.
Then using your existing oil pump and intermediate drive, by just adding a Milodon pump cover or one of those Muscle Motors pump covers which have a oil port on the back of them..
Just run the other line from there to the other oil pan pickup.
Now you have your self a duel line system without buying a whole new Milodon oil pump, and long oil pump drive.

FYI
I ran this setup on a similar aluminum Indy engine and oiled fine to 8,000 RPM.
I will run this setup on the Hemi...
Do you remember if the block required any notching?

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Thanks for the info Bob. I'm looking at a Charlie's pan and want to make this work with stock (reinforced) motor mounts. It's reassuring to know that yours was stable to 8000 rpm. This one won't see the high side of 7k...at least not in this configuration.

No block notching was required. The Eagle stuff is very compact and fit nicely in the World Block !


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That's gonna be fun on the street! CHIP

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Thanks Chip ! I need to get in contact with your converter guy. Your car runs awesome and is quite streetable.


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Very nice numbers. And considering that particular dyno seems to be conservative on power numbers, this deal ought to rock!

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The reworked 295's flowed 360cfm which is plenty for a build like this.

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That is all the flow my heads have (511 CID).
What are the cam specs?
I was a little surprised at the 10.6 CR, why didn't you guys push it to 11.5 ?

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That engine will sure find any weak spots in the drivetrain.

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Very nice numbers. And considering that particular dyno seems to be conservative on power numbers, this deal ought to rock!

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That is for sure.
That engine will sure find any weak spots in the drivetrain.

I know the plan has been in the works for a while. Nice to see it made the numbers

Are you able to keep your stock hood?

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Hey Rob(Kam Camino!)
Stock hood is Ron's goal. His tranny is built up enough with good parts,Dana is from Dr Diff, not sure about the driveshaft/U-joints. Main thing is to get a looser conv and install his Caltrac set up and i think he'
ll be going to Wallyworld on a regular basis to change his shorts!! LOL

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This is the car that it's going into. Will need several upgrades to the fuel system and driveline.


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Nice Ron!
68's are the best looking Chargers (I think).
Wow, 4100 lbs, you must have the spare tire and
tool box in the trunk. I would bet low
10,s with that much HP & TQ.

Next will be the idea spinning in your head, maybe
just a little juice to hit that 9 sec zone once.
That's if it doesn't make it on just the motor.
Have fun on the street, and buy stock in a tire
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Very nice numbers. And considering that particular dyno seems to be conservative on power numbers, this deal ought to rock!

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Thanks Greg

Just got off the phone with Dwayne....final numbers with the re-tuned QF 1050 carb ;

721tq @ 4500
705hp @ 5600 > 694hp @ 6000



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Really nice combo. With the availability of the new World blocks and the longer stroke cranks I think we'll start to see a lot more of these big inch engines hitting the street. Looks like that 337 intake worked just fine on your motor.

Did you use a double valley cover or did you make some end rails and use the floor of the 337 as the valley cover?

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Yep...it'll clear the stock hood !


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I think you need to determine if the loss of oil pressure is do to lack of quanity or a oiling system problem caused by the pump or pickup before changing parts. Did you leave the .040 oil restirctor in the passage to the rockers or does the EZ heads use external oiling? If external forget the question about the restrictors and maybe consider using them in the external lines to the heads if you don't have them yet

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Hi Cab,

The 295 EZ's use an external oil line system and they allready have a .060 restrictor in them. Dwayne feels it's an issue with the long stroke creating windage. He ran into similar issues with another 572 build and the dual line external setup fixed it.

We tried to go internal oiling thinking that perhaps the low rpm would keep oil pressure in check but it didn't work. It was worth a try and we learned something from this dyno thrash...Big stroke builds create lots of pressure issues that are easily resolved with a good pan and oil pickup. I'm going to order the Charlies pan and Milodon setup & be done with it.


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Stock hood is Ron's goal. His tranny is built up enough with good parts,Dana is from Dr Diff, not sure about the driveshaft/U-joints. Main thing is to get a looser conv and install his Caltrac set up and i think he'
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That's correct....stock hood for now.

Trans is fine with all the good stuff allready. Got a new locker unit for the Dana and it allready has 35 spline axles. Need a new driveshaft with 1350 u-joints etc...

Hoping to give the Green Monster a descent heads up race...should be fun. The last time we lined up all i saw was your tailights....all the way down the track !


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Nice Ron!
68's are the best looking Chargers (I think).
Wow, 4100 lbs, you must have the spare tire and
tool box in the trunk. I would bet low
10,s with that much HP & TQ.

Next will be the idea spinning in your head, maybe
just a little juice to hit that 9 sec zone once.
That's if it doesn't make it on just the motor.
Have fun on the street, and buy stock in a tire
company!

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Thanks BDS...that is the raceweight (4100) The BP weighs in at 3850 with a full tank of fuel (18 gallons) and the car is complete with full interior, heater, wipers, frame connectors and 8pt rollbar...it's a TANK !


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Very nice numbers. And considering that particular dyno seems to be conservative on power numbers, this deal ought to rock!

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Just got off the phone with Dwayne....final numbers with the re-tuned QF 1050 carb ;

721tq @ 4500
705hp @ 5600 > 694hp @ 6000



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1st dyno pull with 337 intake and QF 1050:

720tq @ 4500
690hp @ 5500
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721tq @ 4500
705hp @ 5600 > 694hp @ 6000



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Nice carb tuning results!
Ask Dwayne what the final A/F was, from the 1st dyno sheet I see 13.2 at peak hp.

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Will that 337 intake work on a RB with Bulldog heads?

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What's really intriguing is that the 440-2 Big Single didn't really gain all that much showing that it really needed more Compression to show it's hand.....cubes alone weren't really enough.

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Wow, 4100 lbs, you must have the spare tire and
tool box in the trunk. I would bet low
10,s with that much HP & TQ.

Next will be the idea spinning in your head, maybe
just a little juice to hit that 9 sec zone once.
That's if it doesn't make it on just the motor.
Have fun on the street, and buy stock in a tire
company!

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I think what you mean is have Rob drive to get into the 9's. There is no tool box in the trunk, just in the drivers seat.

Ron, congrats on the numbers. I know you've worked long and hard to get this combo figured out. Cuda's( ) to you, Duane and whomever helped you get it right. Streetwize, man you've got some great info. Same with AndyF. I am glad it'll all fit under the hood! Ron, are you sharp-shooting for 10.oooo's? Sounds like you will be closer than before. Great winter upgrades for sure. Congrats. I admire you, for one reason, you work hard on paper first. You use a lot of knowledge and figure it out before buying parts. You say luck....We know better. You got a lot of know how in that semi-pro football skull of yours.
Congrats. Rico Maybe while Duane has it, seeif he can fab up and install a crank-scraper.

Oh ya, we in the "Lower Canadian Heights" down here, have something called Thanksgiving. I wish you and your Charger a happy one.. You are cordially invited if you want to come down for turkey . I'll pay for 3/4 the Diesel..

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great build.
i want a PRH motor too!
is there a long waiting line to get one done by PRH?

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1st dyno pull with 337 intake and QF 1050:

720tq @ 4500
690hp @ 5500
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Just got off the phone with Dwayne....final numbers with the re-tuned QF 1050 carb ;

721tq @ 4500
705hp @ 5600 > 694hp @ 6000



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Nice carb tuning results!
Ask Dwayne what the final A/F was, from the 1st dyno sheet I see 13.2 at peak hp.

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Jim, Dwayne leaned out the QF 1050 and got low 13 a/f throught the powerband which made the difference. It will need some attention to the squirters but i'll tune that in the car.

The cam is a .660 lift roller 266/272 on a 110 lsa. Not overly agressive lobes with street friendly spring pressures : 250 seat/600 open.


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Awesome, Ron......that bear is making some BIG poop......Looks like you're going to be having a LOT of fun with that thing....

That conservative motor might get you car into the 9's if it weighed 3,200LBS.......

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Thanks Wayne....i'm very happy with my "conservative" PRH bullet !

Dwayne is the MAN !


Thanks for the Kudos to all those who posted....but Dwayne deserves all the credit here. I picked out the intake manifold and he did the rest.


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The cam is a .660 lift roller 266/272 on a 110 lsa. Not overly agressive lobes with street friendly spring pressures : 250 seat/600 open.


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I think this will be an awesome street/strip engine in your car. Nice to drive and powerful too.

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Is Dwayne going to provide you w/ any more dyno sheets? I'd be interested in seeing how the air/fuel curve looks w/ the QF 1050 carb after his final adjustments.

Also, I'd like to know if his Mighty Demon 850 jetting changes took care of the typical "BG lean swing" through the mid-range. My Claw 825 showed that to some extent and I suspect the "fix" is in the metering block emulsion settings.

Also #2, I see others saw the Dominator was definitely on the lean side through pretty much the entire RPM range.

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Brad, i will be getting some more data once Dwayne has a chance to e-mail those sheets to me. He did mention the typical Demon lean spot and talked about messing with the IFR's but not sure if he did this on my tests. The Demon carb & manifold thrash took place the day after i left to come home.

Overall there were 31 dyno pulls with the 572 so lots of data to digest.

I'll post them when i get them....what manifold and/or spacer combo are you interested in ?



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I'd also like to see the printout of the 2D dual plane, especially interested in the "under the curve" torque.

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Will do Bobby.....i'll post up all three if you like ? From what i can see the 2D liked the spacer...more spacer equalled increased power. Dwayne did comment that the 337 felt the best on the dyno in terms of responsiveness to throttle position. It performed better than he expected and declared it the clear winner for this particular build.


On an engine with bigger heads, more compression and bigger cam the 440-2/440-3 would be the better choice. I'd imagine that the VE would drop off significantly at higher rpm with the 337 on a hotter build than mine.



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...what manifold and/or spacer combo are you interested in ?

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Those are some stout numbers.
Your gonna put your traction to the test.
I can't wait to see it run, maybe you should bring it out to the osca events.

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Thanks Mark !

Already have the Caltracs & monoleafs (thanks Jim aka "Montessa"). If you can hook your 950tq/1050hp Hemi on those i should be ok

I'd like to come down for at least one race next season. Also planning on going to the Mopar Event at Grand Bend.


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Ron,I'm jealous!!! 721 ft. lbs. of torque! AWESOME! You can now officially change the Charger's name to "Flying Black Pig" Dwayne sure knows his stuff! I couldn't be happier with my SQ cam you guys picked out for me! Talk soon,Buddy! CONGRATS! Randy B.

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Hi Randy, ya it's gonna be a blast. Need lots of torque to get the BP moving....she's no lightweight !

Make sure to schedule Grand Bend and Norwalk next year.



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Ron,

What was the final compression ratio on the combo?

Your cam is pretty close to what I have:
.675 int. .651 ext. [Email]dur@.050[/Email] 274 int. 284 ext.
on a 114 lobe sep.

My springs are set up 275 600

Wonder if I could get rid of the 4500 indy intake and go with the 4150 style so I can enjoy it more on the street. My car just never seems to be lean enough to run on the street with the 4500 dominator carb.


We went with a 4.625 stroke,7.10 rod and a 4.4 bore.

Always shifting 5800-6000 at the track

Great job Guys

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Thanks Rob !

Static comp was 10.6:1 which is safe with the large bore. Didn't want to push the pump gas envelope too hard.

Originally the cam was going to be a 112 lsa but Dwayne decided to tighten it up to 110 to spike the midrange power with the 4100lb raceweight.

You should try a 4150 carb....i'm sure it would be much easier to dial in. That QF 1050 worked very well on mine.


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Ron, I cannot wait to hear the results from the track

PRH , Dwayne IS THE MAN

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Thanks Harry....i've heard a lot about your car and FAST build from Dwayne. Impressive power & ET's with bias ply skinnies !

Congrats on breaking into the 11's



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Ron

What air filter are you planning to use? The lack of a fresh air hood on a Charger limits you somewhat-but the looks are certainly worth the tradeoff. I would think it gets a bit cozy-even with the relatively low rise manifold...

Just curious ....


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Hi Mike, right now i've got the K&N 14x3 1.25in drop base assembly with a flo-thru top. Old School is running the same manifold/aircleaner on his 580 engine with a 1/2in spacer and it clears the factory hood on his 70 Charger.

I lowered the K-frame on mine 1in with spacers (thanks for the idea Big Squeeze) and will use the 1in open spacer. The 337 is pretty low....almost the same as the Holley Street dominator that's on the 446 currently. The raised Indy intake ports will tighten things up but it will still clear....i've measured.

I agree...the scalloped stock hood looks best without a scoop.


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Ron,

You you have the DP Indy numbers to post yet?

What gear are you running?

I think I'll swap on the 337 when I make the 4 speed swap, right now I like that extra torque the dual plane makes and since I'm "cube defficient" .....

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No sheets yet Bobby....i know Dwayne is swamped so i'm sure he'll get around to it soon.

I have 4.10's and 295/65 MT drag radials

You might be surprised at the tq curve on the 337 vs the DP.



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That's what Dwayne said. The runner volume on the DP is larger so it wasn't as responsive to throttle position change as the 337 was. It's one of those things that might not show up on the dyno but would be noticable in the car....especially a 4100lb Tank.

I'm anxious to see those sheets as well !



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Ron

What air filter are you planning to use? The lack of a fresh air hood on a Charger limits you somewhat-but the looks are certainly worth the tradeoff. I would think it gets a bit cozy-even with the relatively low rise manifold...

Just curious ....


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Hi Mike, right now i've got the K&N 14x3 1.25in drop base assembly with a flo-thru top. Old School is running the same manifold/aircleaner on his 580 engine with a 1/2in spacer and it clears the factory hood on his 70 Charger.

I lowered the K-frame on mine 1in with spacers (thanks for the idea Big Squeeze) and will use the 1in open spacer. The 337 is pretty low....almost the same as the Holley Street dominator that's on the 446 currently. The raised Indy intake ports will tighten things up but it will still clear....i've measured.

I agree...the scalloped stock hood looks best without a scoop.


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ron,the k&n setup i use is the K%N flow control.it has the biggest drop at 1.938".it is 16"x3.5".part # 61-4500.yours still might fit thou.but if not try this one.you can google k&n flow control for all the info.

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ron,the k&n setup i use is the K%N flow control.it has the biggest drop at 1.938".it is 16"x3.5".part # 61-4500.yours still might fit thou.but if not try this one.you can google k&n flow control for all the info.

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Thanks Brian...just wondering if your car has a 2 speed wiper motor ? Mine does and it sticks out from the firewall....might not clear a 16in air cleaner assembly ?

Here's a pic of my current setup


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Wow ron you are going to have to change the name of your car to The super black pig Sorry i missed you at MMW. So what are you going to do with the old 440 engine that the 572 is replacing?? . Mopar65

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Hi Bobby...we missed ya at Monster Mopar !

I'm thinking about dropping the 440 into my 70 r/t and installing a stick. No plans to race that car but i'd like to have some fun and have never owned a 4spd Musclecar.


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Wow ron you are going to have to change the name of your car to The super black pig Sorry i missed you at MMW. So what are you going to do with the old 440 engine that the 572 is replacing?? . Mopar65

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Hi Bobby...we missed ya at Monster Mopar !

I'm thinking about dropping the 440 into my 70 r/t and installing a stick. No plans to race that car but i'd like to have some fun and have never owned a 4spd Musclecar.


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ron,mine has a 3 speed wiper motor.is that your red 70 charger in the pic? man thats nice.i have 4 speeds in all of my cars.not the best for racing,but alot of fun to drive.i would not give up my man pedal for nothing..

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ron,mine has a 3 speed wiper motor.is that your red 70 charger in the pic? man thats nice.i have 4 speeds in all of my cars.not the best for racing,but alot of fun to drive.i would not give up my man pedal for nothing..

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That's what i figured Brian...the 2 spd wiper motor is close to the 14in diameter air cleaner assembly. Not sure if the 16in unit would clear...the extra 2 inches of diameter could be a problem. The big 6-pack air cleaners require a 3 spd wiper motor.

Yep, that's my 70....originally a plum crazy car with white interior/white vynil top and white butt stripe & V21 hood blackout treatment. Car is now Red with black interior changed over by previous owner. It's loaded with PS, PB, PW, Cruise control etc...I'm gonna keep it red and install the butt stripe and have the hood blacked out. I have some torque thrust D's and BFG's for it as well. Check out the photochop...looks good with the steelies but i think the TT D's would look nicer.

Thanks for the wiper motor info !


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The '337 intake using the MD 850 with or without the spacer will show me what I'm looking for.

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Here ya go Brad....MD 850 on the 337 manifold

Looks like a nice 500in MW head intake manifold.


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Here ya go Bobby. It did well but not as good as the 337


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You're welcome Brad....hope it helps

A couple more for Bobby ; first up the ICH DP with 1/2in open spacer


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Nice Ron!
68's are the best looking Chargers (I think).
Wow, 4100 lbs, you must have the spare tire and
tool box in the trunk. I would bet low
10,s with that much HP & TQ.

Next will be the idea spinning in your head, maybe
just a little juice to hit that 9 sec zone once.
That's if it doesn't make it on just the motor.
Have fun on the street, and buy stock in a tire
company!

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Thanks BDS...that is the raceweight (4100) The BP weighs in at 3850 with a full tank of fuel (18 gallons) and the car is complete with full interior, heater, wipers, frame connectors and 8pt rollbar...it's a TANK !


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I guess we all call our big cars (Tank)!
Keeping everything under the stock hood is cool.
My Jason Line (Line Performance) built 440 ran a
M-1 intake, and pushed my 4000 lb. pig or (tank)
to 11.16 at 118. I was thinking real hard about
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Wow, that's impressive performance for a 440 !

I'd like to hear more about your "tank"



Ron