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Dodge Nitro as a donor?
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Anybody check into the specs of a Nitro? It one usefull as a donor for my 37 Plymouth PU?.
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Re: Dodge Nitro as a donor?
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ive thought about ,,what if a pacifica,front stub could be swapped in to a street rod,,v-6 modern injection,all in one piece being swapped,,,,but im sure its track is too wide,,,
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Re: Dodge Nitro as a donor?
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Don't have a specific answer but search for the recent 4.7 thread for some general swap hurdles.
Also, search the net for Baumann Trans Cotnrols, they make a system for controlling some late-model electronic transmissions. Food4thought...
Parts I seek:
driver doorpanel, 65 Sport Fury, prefer black, needs to be 7-8 on 10 scale, might buy set
16" x 6" Dodge truck wheel(s), from early 70s?, takes 9" dogdish - need for a research job so cheaper is better.
69-73 C-body caliper brackets and/or splashields
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Re: Dodge Nitro as a donor?
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ive thought about ,,what if a pacifica,front stub could be swapped in to a street rod,,v-6 modern injection,all in one piece being swapped,,,,but im sure its track is too wide,,,
I've thought long and hard about this type of swap too. I have easy access to low-mileage wrecked cars for cheap (Intrepid/Concorde/300M with 3.5 liter or minivans with 3.3/3.8 all selling for well under a grand). The biggest draw is the "drop-out" style of the engine/trans/steering/brakes. The biggest drawback is the clearance needed for the upper strut mounts.
'99 Caravan 3.3 heavy damage on both sides. Runs/drives. This one has 130k but that's nothing for this drivetrain and the rod it's going into wouldn't likely see a lot of miles anyways. This could be in my shop tomorrow for $400. Hold out for lower miles and harder wrecked and the price wouldn't change much. It just kills me to not be able to use the simplicity of this drivetrain swap.
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Re: Dodge Nitro as a donor?
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I have long though about putting the 3.5L drivetrain out of an Concorde/Intrepid in my 65 Cuda, but mount it in back and keep it RWD.
Be a killer setup I'm thinking.
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Re: Dodge Nitro as a donor?
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Many years ago, I did a lot of measuring when I was thinking about putting a turbo 2.2 into a 35/36 Plymouth sedan. Thought was to build a frame from scratch, with the standard 2.2 and front drive under the car fenders. Width and location would have put the widest point of the drive train under the fender ridge. I believe stock track width (drive train from an 85-89 Lebaron GTS) was about right, the rad from a mini van would have had to mount high in the grill shell with the engine/trans particially under it. At that time, the fwd Mopar engines sat ahead of the trans, so the entire engine would have been in front of the front wheels (the current Neon 4 clynder drive train is the same way). The grill shell and front 1/2 of the fenders would have had to tilt to gain acess to anything on the engine, and behind the intake/exhaust would have been much open space to use as a storage area. Would have used 2" square tube as a frame from the engine compartment to the rear, ran the exhaust through the tunnel, and had a stock fwd rear axle.
I went as far as building the front frame rails, had the engine and trans, all the wiring, the rear axle, even had the car (35 4 door Plymouth). Had big plans on building and marketing the chassis. That was about the time I lost my job, been over 15 years since. Think most of the front frame rails are still here, and I think I still have the 2.2 turbo and auto here, though I have doubts about their condition anymore.
Just another of the big ideas that never happened. Seems my past is littered with these kind of ideas. Now, let me tell you about this idea I have.............Gene
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Re: Dodge Nitro as a donor?
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02/09/10 01:31 AM
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well whats the idea GENE??? the others sounds a lot like somne thing that would be koool
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Re: Dodge Nitro as a donor?
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well whats the idea GENE??? the others sounds a lot like somne thing that would be koool
These days, most of my ideas are much better off left in my head. See, the thought about the 2.2 in the 35 Plymouth was way back in the mid 90s, and its just now sounding like something that some people may be interested in. Most of the ideas running around in my head these days are on a much smaller and simpler scale then designing a car frame from scratch. 
One of the advantages of being a self employed welder is when I get some hairbrained idea, I can throw together a rough draft and see if it is even do-able. That way, when I discover issues with the design, I can just scrap the whole deal.  My scrap guy really likes me.
I have an off topic little project right now that is in a field test position, all I need is for the weather to cooperate so the actual testing can be done. If it works like it looks like it will, I'll come on here and make the sales pitch. 
Then you all will see just how messed up my mind really is...  Gene
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Re: Dodge Nitro as a donor?
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we are car guys ,,alll of us are a little messed up,,ideas keep us going gene,,,,so spill the beans
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1940 dodge coupe 241 hemi street rod
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Re: Dodge Nitro as a donor?
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Width and location would have put the widest point of the drive train under the fender ridge.
The struts would have fit under the hood? Seems to me they would wind up between the hood and "crown" of the fenders if the wheels were centered under the fenders. This is the reason I'm thinking this would work best on a fat-fendered car...or more specifically a circa '53 International pickup. Let's see, a 2002 Grand Caravan weighs around 4,000 lbs. A '53 International weighs about... 
Actually, the struts fit under the fenders! The top of struts sit just towards center and above the tires and the springs fit under the strut tops and on the engine side of the tires. When you get done, the tire can not sit up into the wheel opening like seems so popular these days. You will need the extra space above the tire to fit the upper strut mount under the crown of the fender. I actually had this all mocked up back in the day, just things are a bit foggy after all these years. Just a few years before I thought all that out, I had been a tech at a local Chrysler dealer and was very fimiluar with the fwd setups. All I know is if I was going through the process of building a frame, I had figured it would work.
A fat fendered car or truck would have been a lot easier, bunches more room.
Did you guys know that back in the mid 80 (about 87) Chrysler was experimenting with turbo charging the new at the time 3.0 V6? If only a guy could get his hands on that setup.... They had a version running around at the Chrysler Tech Center. Our instructor at one of the calsses I took said it was wicked fast (in 87 terms). There are some advantages of getting places early, a couple of us early birds had to help put it in the corner and cover it up before most of the class got there. Gene
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Re: Dodge Nitro as a donor?
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gene, didn't the dodge stealth[mitzu?] have a twin turbo 3.0?
Um, I remember the Stelth, seem to remember it had a pair of turbos, just can't remember which engine was in it. We were a Chrysler/Plymouth dealer and I only remember one Stelth twin turbo come in, but I wasn't the lucky guy that got to do whatever it was in for. I do remember the other guy complaining about how congested things were under the hood, but things seemed all better after the test drive. 
We did have a state persuite (mid 80s Dodge Diplomat) car in our area, one time it came in with an issue that only happened at a speed of over 100mph. We had a desiginated area in which we were allowed to test the car at speed to locate the issue. That was fun. We made an educated guess of what we thought the problem was, but the car had to return to the state post to have most things worked on. Those cars were fast, but they sure had a strange set of very specific instructions that went with any service we were allowed to do to them, which wasn't much. When the state police distric was done with them, they were to be returned to the state before they could be released to the public, least that was the story we were told. Gene
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Re: Dodge Nitro as a donor?
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The Dodge Stealth R/T was twin turbocharged, 3.0L mitsu motor. The Mitubishi 3000GT was the Mitsu version of the R/T. Both built on the same assembly line in Normal, Il. Remember Diamond-Star? thejointn Chrysler/Mitsu project?
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Re: Dodge Nitro as a donor?
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The Dodge Stealth R/T was twin turbocharged, 3.0L mitsu motor. The Mitubishi 3000GT was the Mitsu version of the R/T. Both built on the same assembly line in Normal, Il. Remember Diamond-Star? thejointn Chrysler/Mitsu project?
i havent seen any of those cars dodge or misti,,in years,,or the other dodge/mitu car,,??starion??
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Re: Dodge Nitro as a donor?
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The Diamond Star cars were the Dodge Stealth, Mitsubishi 3000, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Eagle Talon and Plymouth Laser.
That's it. Not sure if the Laser ever had a turbo option, but the rest did.
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Re: Dodge Nitro as a donor?
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The Diamond Star cars were the Dodge Stealth, Mitsubishi 3000, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Eagle Talon and Plymouth Laser.
That's it. Not sure if the Laser ever had a turbo option, but the rest did.
The Laser did come with a turbo. In fact, I THINK the laser came with turbo before the Talon did. I worked with a guy with an early 90's Laser, and I had a '95 Talon- turbo, of course. It put out either 210 or 220 HP (advertised).
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Re: Dodge Nitro as a donor?
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Do not confuse the Chrysler Lazer (Daytona clone) with the Plymouth Laser (Eclipes/Talon clone). The Chrysler had a turbo 2.2 and was not a Diamond Star car. The Plymouth was a 2.0L engine and was a Diamond Star car. Pretty sure the Lazer you are remembering is the Chrysler.
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Re: Dodge Nitro as a donor?
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I'm thinking of the Plymouth Laser, which looked looked kind of like an eagle talon. The "lazer" had no resemblance whatsoever to the Talon, Laser, or Eclipse.
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if i remember correctly, he paid $2100 for the 300.
