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Re: Barton building the crate Hemis?
[Re: 68hemiss]
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12/12/07 11:54 PM
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How much faith can you REALLY put in Chrysler Direct Connection parts? Especially an assembled engine! I've heard too many horror stories about the crap they do and don't do in the past!  I hope a lot of the problems have been rectified. I hear Cummins QC was real bad,so it's good news they ended that partnership!  RandyB 
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Re: Barton building the crate Hemis?
[Re: copchaser]
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12/13/07 12:02 PM
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So tell us Zippy is the mysterious northern, midwestern engine builder Chuck Lofgren? He knows HEMI's.
Well, the outfit has been posted already, somewhere or another, a person just has to find it  Though MP does like hearing from Chuck (he's just a good guy to talk to), no it isn't him.
Sorry for being vague, but the whole relationship is in the development stages and the northern facility has not been approved for production yet. I do know MP is impressed with them, likes that company quite a bit and really wants to work with them in the future for sure, whoever they are!
All the new crate engine builders are getting vastly improved parts to work with: blocks and heads were all retooled in 2007, which was neither easy nor cheap. That combined with vastly more performance oriented race engine builders is going to help the crate motors a ton.
Myself, I prefer to put my own stuff together but not everyone enjoys such things.
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Re: Barton building the crate Hemis?
[Re: ZIPPY]
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12/13/07 01:07 PM
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i'm guessing it's chuck at best machine.
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Re: Barton building the crate Hemis?
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12/13/07 02:15 PM
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maybe mike at muscle motors?
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Re: Barton building the crate Hemis?
[Re: AndyF]
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12/13/07 04:48 PM
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the world block i got a couple weeks ago was packaged the same way. unfortunately it had no rust inhibitor or anything else with, well, except the rust all over it. 
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Re: Barton building the crate Hemis?
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12/13/07 09:58 PM
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Gotta remember when they send those blocks to places like Florida and lower East Coast etc, that the humidity kills them when they sit around or go thru temperature changes. Maybe Charlie from World can assist.
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Re: Barton building the crate Hemis?
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12/13/07 11:08 PM
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Mr. Barton has a "BAD REP" has he?  
Not saying that necessarily. His records on the track and "rep" with customers are what they are.
Just saying that his idea of a "streetable" motor probably varies widely from what the average crate hemi buyer will expect. As long as things like the cam and ring package are picked by someone else, it might possibly work OK.   
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Re: Barton building the crate Hemis?
[Re: CompWedgeEngines]
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12/13/07 11:24 PM
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Ray Barton is building the 528 crate motors. He is at 150 back ordered. As you know they do still have the hyd. cams because they are built to MP specs. The motors now have better internals (cams, lifters, pistons, etc) which was needed to say the least. The 528 crate motors by Barton are now using World Blocks. From what I was told Gary is or will be building the 472's and Rousch is or will be building the 426's. Zippy can you confirm? I dont know if the 426's & 472's will be using World Blocks or not. Bartons dyno HP on the 528 crate makes about 15-20 hp more than MP advertised for the crate. If you want more HP you can switch from the hyd. cam and go with one of Bartons cam combos and get close to 800hp. As Im sure youre aware once you start changing/upgrading parts you dont have a crate motor anymore and you're increasing build cost by the hundreds or thousands. hope this helped, Doug 
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Re: Barton building the crate Hemis?
[Re: proshiftcharger]
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12/14/07 10:58 AM
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Zippy can you confirm?
I can neither confirm nor deny that at this time 
Let's at least wait until the northern facility is approved for production, and whatever the business relationship between them and MP is set.
I mean, you never know, things might not work out for some reason, and then we would have went to all that trouble spreading rumors for nothing!
Thanks for the comments on the packaging, MP has got to change both of those things right away. The heads should have been changed at least a month ago!
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Re: Barton building the crate Hemis?
[Re: ZIPPY]
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12/14/07 12:21 PM
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Zippy can you confirm?
I can neither confirm nor deny that at this time
Let's at least wait until the northern facility is approved for production, and whatever the business relationship between them and MP is set.
I bet that involves jumping through a bunch of hoops 
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