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didn't read the intructions did you? no thats not it.

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Chute, I don't know...

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no chute

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I think I know, but the real question is: will you get another movie for this??

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very possible ask me if I care. hopefully this may save somebodies life or car.

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I would say if you have a low band apply VB jam it in low or second (if not LBA). But after that all you can do is shut the car off in gear.
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wrong and wrong, thats not yes or no

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Put it in Reverse.

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Dump laundry, click off motor, downshift to first, and hit transbreak.That's what I would do

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So this will work with a transbrake car where reverse is neutral via the transbrake button ?

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well, yes ! Thanks good info ! Hope I never have to try it !

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I did try it once by accident, thats how I knew the answer. many many years ago I was driving and very low on gas. coming over a bridge I decided to put it in neautral to save some gas. oops it went into reverse at 60 mph locked up the rear wheels and scared the crap out of me snatched in back down and went on my way.

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yes!

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Put it in Reverse.

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that tends to rip the outer race of the overruuning clutch out of the case

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The pump is still turning and you wouldn't be done, and by the way, what makes you the expert? Have you ever had it happen? I have!

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looknumnuts I was just trying to save somebodies butt. no expert here on anything. just some info I shared.

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emergency or parking brakes are not legal on race cars.

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The pump is still turning and you wouldn't be done, and by the way, what makes you the expert? Have you ever had it happen? I have!

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How is the pump still turning whe nthe engine is OFF

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Close your eyes and turn hard to the wall? Pull the hood release to act as a front mounted chute? Open the door and drag foot? I can think of some more that may be less risky.

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good to see you guys the other night. we will be back out saturday. it will go down the track this time

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The pump is still turning and you wouldn't be done, and by the way, what makes you the expert? Have you ever had it happen? I have!

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that is what I was wondering. been a long time since the rear wheels turned the pump. ala tow a Mopar auto to start

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The pump is still turning and you wouldn't be done, and by the way, what makes you the expert? Have you ever had it happen? I have!

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that is what I was wondering. been a long time since the rear wheels turned the pump. ala tow a Mopar auto to start

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not a tranny guy but it may turn a little at high speed but I doubt it would be enough to do anything. and for Mr numnuts this was for us evryday brackets racers with no chutes, no transbrakes, and for those that don't want to scrape the wall if they can help it. it's a better method than the alternative imo.

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When it happened to me, I was at a track I had never raced at before, so I had made a trip to the top end and made a mental note as to what I would do in such a situation. The track had a rather short shutdown area, a long sand trap, then a serious dropoff into a valley. I noted that the sand led to a dirt access road on the left side. So I thought if I had problems, I would steer to the left.

After 4 runs Friday and 6 runs Saturday, I made my first run Sunday, crossed the stripe at 127 MPH, reached for the brake pedal...and it was up against the steering column with the prop rod against the firewall. A feeling of terror came over me, but I knew right away that I would go left through the sand.

I coasted a couple hunded feet, then shifted into 2nd, that scrubbed off a bunch of speed, then I shifted into 1st, forgetting that the trans would freewheel with my older valve body. The motor died, I hit the sand, then turned to the left. The car made 1/2 a spin and stopped.

Never did I consider shifting into reverse. I have heard of this being done with street cars, but I think if you do this with a 9 or 10-second car, the back end will come around and you will roll it.

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If like you say he traveled a mile before ending up in the lake why not just shut down the engine in gear and let the distance of the shut down bring you to a slow controlled stop or controlable speed?I have seen guys blow an engine at the stripe and leave the car in gear,not touch the brakes because of oil and get it slowed enough to exit the track to the return road,even using the resistance of a rearend spool to even slow it more while exiting and steering on the return road to a safe stop.Locking slicks up at speed isn't my idea of fun.

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something strange must have happened on that run. locking slicks up wont be fun but being upside down in a lake full of water strapped in a race car would probably be worse don't you think?

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I can`t stand it.....This has to be simply the most idiotic thing I have seen posted on this forum, tossing a car in reverse with any kind of drag race tire at, lets just say 100 mph is not going to end well, and before you say anything, YES I personally have had it happen due to a junk shifter gate, The only thing that kept that car from hitting anything was pure luck.
Anybody that thinks they can get it in and out of gear fast enough to avoid the obvious while still reeling from the shock of not having brakes plus just the initial "hit" from trans and driveline parts trying to cry foul, Try it...Prove me wrong but Please get video and hopefully nobody else is close.

I`ll choose scrubbing speed off on the wall, thank you.


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I can`t stand it.....This has to be simply the most idiotic thing I have seen posted on this forum, tossing a car in reverse with any kind of drag race tire at, lets just say 100 mph is not going to end well, and before you say anything, YES I personally have had it happen due to a junk shifter gate, The only thing that kept that car from hitting anything was pure luck.
Anybody that thinks they can get it in and out of gear fast enough to avoid the obvious while still reeling from the shock of not having brakes plus just the initial "hit" from trans and driveline parts trying to cry foul, Try it...Prove me wrong but Please get video and hopefully nobody else is close.

I`ll choose scrubbing speed off on the wall, thank you.


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and Mr Rick the only idiotic thing would be ending up dead with no options.

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emergency or parking brakes are not legal on race cars.

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that tends to rip the outer race of the overruuning clutch out of the case

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How? The band stops the rear drum which stops the sprag inner race.

A local Pro Gas racer once stuffed it in Reverse at 130+ mph, (trying to hit Neutral so he could read the plugs) brought the trans to me for a look/see and I couldn't find any damage.

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so it sounds like he survived it with little damage so doesn't sound that idiotic now does it? it is possible if you have a little driving skill and think fast. not saying I could it's just an option

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My point is to know your track. If that guy knew of the lake, he would have tried to spin the car out or turn away.

The two tracks I have raced at mostly over the years I know well and would have a strategy for brake failure. Edgewater has a pretty long shutdown and a sand (mostly mud) trap, then a few trees at the edge of the Great Miami River. There were a few deaths years ago when fast cars went into the river. I have talked to bracket racers that lost brakes there, they were able to make the turn onto the return road (or into the adjacent field) without turning over.

Tri-State Dragway is similar, although they run S/P and Pro on 1/8th mile now. Go straight and you will hit 100 ft. of corn, then the river. Turn left and you can try to make the return road or more corn and then trees.

I believe that both Indy and Columbus have the large catch nets installed now.

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What ever you think, there are always options...reverse at triple digit speeds is NOT one.

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There was a guy about 5-6 years ago that was running a pretty hot Vette, ran like a high 4 eighth mile, was running at our local track.

The car came off strong and broke traction around the 60' mark, he lifted and then nailed it again. I recall thinking that was pretty dumb at the moment. It sure was.

The throttle hung and when he got to the stripe he pulled the chutes and they just sort of popped open and collapsed in a half second or so.

Instead of just hitting the kill switch, he simply held on as the car ran about 1/4 mile under full throttle. He hit the trees at the end right after he minced the hay bails and such. He lived but was air lifted. Never really heard anything after that. The Vette was hauled out of the woods in tiny pieces.

Still not sure why he didn't at least kill that motor. Maybe he was so spooked he froze up.

Every older racer at the track was shaking their head about how an experienced guy would try to get back on a busted run.

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Years ago i bought a 72 Challenger as a roller and dropped my street 440 and 727 into it. Unbeknownst to me , the car had a power brake master cylinder pushrod with a manual mc. There was no brake light switch either, so nothing to keep the rod from coming out,which it did on my first pass. What a surprise to find the brake pedal up against the bottom of the dash when it came time to stop. A downshift to 2nd didn't help much, so i went to reverse. I thought i could just bump reverse and put it back into neutral. Locked up the slicks and pitched the car sideways pretty good. Instantly. Can't say i wouldn't do it again but it would probably be a last resort. Im sure i was well below 100 mph when i thought to put it into reverse. Hate to think what would happen at high speed.

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downshift to first, and hit transbrake. That's what I would do

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Well, since this happened to my car. I kind of knew what to do, (after the fact.)
Since Billy D always shut the motor off after the stripe, he had no way of doing the correct thing. (that won't happen again)

If the engine is running ..Yes you can downshift into low gear, (powerglide) and start tapping the trans brake button.
It would most likely damage the trans, but the damage to my car, is much, much worse that a broken powerglide..
Just my from already having gone through it..


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downshift to first, and hit transbrake. That's what I would do

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Well, since this happened to my car. I kind of knew what to do, (after the fact.)
Since Billy D always shut the motor off after the stripe, he had no way of doing the correct thing. (that won't happen again)

If the engine is running ..Yes you can downshift into low gear, (powerglide) and start tapping the trans brake button.
It would most likely damage the trans, but the damage to my car, is much, much worse that a broken powerglide..
Just my from already having gone through it..


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most mopar bracket guys run a torqueflite with a no low band apply trans.
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There was a guy about 5-6 years ago that was running a pretty hot Vette, ran like a high 4 eighth mile, was running at our local track.

The car came off strong and broke traction around the 60' mark, he lifted and then nailed it again. I recall thinking that was pretty dumb at the moment. It sure was.

The throttle hung and when he got to the stripe he pulled the chutes and they just sort of popped open and collapsed in a half second or so.

Instead of just hitting the kill switch, he simply held on as the car ran about 1/4 mile under full throttle. He hit the trees at the end right after he minced the hay bails and such. He lived but was air lifted. Never really heard anything after that. The Vette was hauled out of the woods in tiny pieces.

Still not sure why he didn't at least kill that motor. Maybe he was so spooked he froze up.

Every older racer at the track was shaking their head about how an experienced guy would try to get back on a busted run.

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I'm always just a bit suprised on the people that want to go FAST 1st, slow down 2nd ..

More than once , I've had someone come up to me and say

"wow, the shut down area is short"

Did you go look at the end before you belted in ?

Ahh, gee ..No I didn't ?

Kidding me right ..No man, I didn't ..

You dumb chit ..

I have a nice brakes and a chute and think about what if each and every pass ..

Sadly few do ..

i have a friend with a old tea cup master cylinder , Hemi car goes low , low 10's big old heavy b-body ..seen it go 10.19

thinks its cool , "nostalgic"

Be real cool flying off the end at a buck 135

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yep that was the whole point for the thread, to make people think. but some find it idiotic

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How? The band stops the rear drum which stops the sprag inner race.

A local Pro Gas racer once stuffed it in Reverse at 130+ mph, (trying to hit Neutral so he could read the plugs) brought the trans to me for a look/see and I couldn't find any damage.

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Don't know John , but when I was 17 or 18 I did it in my moms 72 fury doing about 45mph , the rears locked and the engine stalled. A few years later when we junked the car I saved the trans , took it apart and when I flipped it bellhousing side down the outer race and a piece of the case fell on the floor ...

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If like you say he traveled a mile before ending up in the lake why not just shut down the engine in gear and let the distance of the shut down bring you to a slow controlled stop or controlable speed?I have seen guys blow an engine at the stripe and leave the car in gear,not touch the brakes because of oil and get it slowed enough to exit the track to the return road,even using the resistance of a rearend spool to even slow it more while exiting and steering on the return road to a safe stop.Locking slicks up at speed isn't my idea of fun.

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especially at gainsville....hell, I went through the traps at 160+ on seven cylinders, missed the second exit and took forever to get to the end of the track...that sucker is loooong

I bet If I never hit the brakes it wouldn't have coasted to the end

Now I know Gainsville is an exception....some tracks it could get nasty quick

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i lost my brakes in my 63 plymouth 7 years ago at island dragway which has a little shutdown area,
never would i want to drop it in reverse, but i guess pushing my dash trans. buttons to reverse might be an option in the future.

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whether you agree with Tony or not, we should all be thinking of a couple things before strapping in.

1. what does the shutdown and turn look like.
2. what is our plan if we can't stop (right or wrong you should have a plan).

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Sooo what do you do with a Lenco with 3 sprags in it and no way to get into reverse at speed?

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Sooo what do you do with a Lenco with 3 sprags in it and no way to get into reverse at speed?

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With comments like those you'd better know how to stop a car with no brakes... I might have to make an un-announced visit to the pits next time you're running.

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I would have pull the chutes, hit the clutch pedal and go to 3rd...then repeat it going into 2nd and 1st...

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