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Re: NO BRAKES
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09/25/09 04:53 PM
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The pump is still turning and you wouldn't be done, and by the way, what makes you the expert? Have you ever had it happen? I have!
How is the pump still turning whe nthe engine is OFF 
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Re: NO BRAKES
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09/25/09 04:54 PM
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Close your eyes and turn hard to the wall? Pull the hood release to act as a front mounted chute? Open the door and drag foot? I can think of some more that may be less risky.
 good to see you guys the other night. we will be back out saturday. it will go down the track this time 
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Re: NO BRAKES
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09/25/09 04:57 PM
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Then tell them what they can use, hitting the wall to scrub speed might be the only way to help yourself if you are in a car with out a t/break and especially at speed. The reverse trick will only work if you are going slow enough, and if it breaks a driveshaft or the trans locks and blows, you're screwed. I an older, slower style car that has an e-break (street) you can slow down some with that. I really don't have the answer and don't think there really is one. And when it happened to me, I didn't think fast enough and hit the wall. So, if there really is a way to slow safely, I'd like to hear it. Otherwise, I'm going with my plan B. Oh.........and it's Mr. Numnuts to you! 
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Re: NO BRAKES
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09/25/09 04:58 PM
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The pump is still turning and you wouldn't be done, and by the way, what makes you the expert? Have you ever had it happen? I have!
How is the pump still turning whe nthe engine is OFF
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that is what I was wondering. been a long time since the rear wheels turned the pump. ala tow a Mopar auto to start 
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Re: NO BRAKES
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09/25/09 05:03 PM
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The pump is still turning and you wouldn't be done, and by the way, what makes you the expert? Have you ever had it happen? I have!
How is the pump still turning whe nthe engine is OFF
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that is what I was wondering. been a long time since the rear wheels turned the pump. ala tow a Mopar auto to start
not a tranny guy but it may turn a little at high speed but I doubt it would be enough to do anything. and for Mr numnuts this was for us evryday brackets racers with no chutes, no transbrakes, and for those that don't want to scrape the wall if they can help it. it's a better method than the alternative imo.
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Re: NO BRAKES
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09/25/09 05:32 PM
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When it happened to me, I was at a track I had never raced at before, so I had made a trip to the top end and made a mental note as to what I would do in such a situation. The track had a rather short shutdown area, a long sand trap, then a serious dropoff into a valley. I noted that the sand led to a dirt access road on the left side. So I thought if I had problems, I would steer to the left.
After 4 runs Friday and 6 runs Saturday, I made my first run Sunday, crossed the stripe at 127 MPH, reached for the brake pedal...and it was up against the steering column with the prop rod against the firewall. A feeling of terror came over me, but I knew right away that I would go left through the sand.
I coasted a couple hunded feet, then shifted into 2nd, that scrubbed off a bunch of speed, then I shifted into 1st, forgetting that the trans would freewheel with my older valve body. The motor died, I hit the sand, then turned to the left. The car made 1/2 a spin and stopped.
Never did I consider shifting into reverse. I have heard of this being done with street cars, but I think if you do this with a 9 or 10-second car, the back end will come around and you will roll it.
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Re: NO BRAKES
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09/25/09 05:37 PM
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When it happened to me, I was at a track I had never raced at before, so I had made a trip to the top end and made a mental note as to what I would do in such a situation. The track had a rather short shutdown area, a long sand trap, then a serious dropoff into a valley. I noted that the sand led to a dirt access road on the left side. So I thought if I had problems, I would steer to the left.
After 4 runs Friday and 6 runs Saturday, I made my first run Sunday, crossed the stripe at 127 MPH, reached for the brake pedal...and it was up against the steering column with the prop rod against the firewall. A feeling of terror came over me, but I knew right away that I would go left through the sand.
I coasted a couple hunded feet, then shifted into 2nd, that scrubbed off a bunch of speed, then I shifted into 1st, forgetting that the trans would freewheel with my older valve body. The motor died, I hit the sand, then turned to the left. The car made 1/2 a spin and stopped.
Never did I consider shifting into reverse. I have heard of this being done with street cars, but I think if you do this with a 9 or 10-second car, the back end will come around and you will roll it.
good points thats why you pull it out. believe me I wouldn't want to try this but I sure would before going off through the woods or something. this is just a topic for thought. you have to ready for anything when racing.
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Re: NO BRAKES
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09/25/09 05:44 PM
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It was a stock eliminator driver and his brake pedal pushrod fell out.(GM car)Bad thing is if the side window in the car had not blown out,he might not be here today.
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Re: NO BRAKES
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09/25/09 05:52 PM
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If like you say he traveled a mile before ending up in the lake why not just shut down the engine in gear and let the distance of the shut down bring you to a slow controlled stop or controlable speed?I have seen guys blow an engine at the stripe and leave the car in gear,not touch the brakes because of oil and get it slowed enough to exit the track to the return road,even using the resistance of a rearend spool to even slow it more while exiting and steering on the return road to a safe stop.Locking slicks up at speed isn't my idea of fun. 
something strange must have happened on that run.  locking slicks up wont be fun but being upside down in a lake full of water strapped in a race car would probably be worse don't you think?
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Re: NO BRAKES
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09/25/09 06:29 PM
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I can`t stand it.....This has to be simply the most idiotic thing I have seen posted on this forum, tossing a car in reverse with any kind of drag race tire at, lets just say 100 mph is not going to end well, and before you say anything, YES I personally have had it happen due to a junk shifter gate, The only thing that kept that car from hitting anything was pure luck.
Anybody that thinks they can get it in and out of gear fast enough to avoid the obvious while still reeling from the shock of not having brakes plus just the initial "hit" from trans and driveline parts trying to cry foul, Try it...Prove me wrong but Please get video and hopefully nobody else is close.
I`ll choose scrubbing speed off on the wall, thank you.
Rick
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Re: NO BRAKES
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09/25/09 06:36 PM
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I can`t stand it.....This has to be simply the most idiotic thing I have seen posted on this forum, tossing a car in reverse with any kind of drag race tire at, lets just say 100 mph is not going to end well, and before you say anything, YES I personally have had it happen due to a junk shifter gate, The only thing that kept that car from hitting anything was pure luck.
Anybody that thinks they can get it in and out of gear fast enough to avoid the obvious while still reeling from the shock of not having brakes plus just the initial "hit" from trans and driveline parts trying to cry foul, Try it...Prove me wrong but Please get video and hopefully nobody else is close.
I`ll choose scrubbing speed off on the wall, thank you.
Rick
and Mr Rick the only idiotic thing would be ending up dead with no options. 
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Re: NO BRAKES
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09/25/09 06:42 PM
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emergency or parking brakes are not legal on race cars. 
SAY What ???? My has a emergeny brake and that is how I would stop it !
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Re: NO BRAKES
[Re: John_Kunkel]
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09/25/09 06:44 PM
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Put it in Reverse. 
that tends to rip the outer race of the overruuning clutch out of the case 
How? The band stops the rear drum which stops the sprag inner race.
A local Pro Gas racer once stuffed it in Reverse at 130+ mph, (trying to hit Neutral so he could read the plugs) brought the trans to me for a look/see and I couldn't find any damage.
so it sounds like he survived it with little damage  so doesn't sound that idiotic now does it? it is possible if you have a little driving skill and think fast. not saying I could it's just an option
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Re: NO BRAKES
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09/25/09 06:44 PM
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i lost my brakes in my 63 plymouth 7 years ago at island dragway which has a little shutdown area, i crossed the traps at 130 mph, went for the brakes and no go. first i said "damn this is gonna hurt", then i decided to let off of gass pedal, let the car start slowing down on its own a little and then at around 80 mph, down shifted to 2nd, that go me down to around 55 mph, i then clicked off motor and headed for the grass area, which i then slid it sideways a little and it then slowed down to a stand still. never would i want to drop it in reverse, but i guess pushing my dash trans. buttons to reverse might be an option in the future.
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