Intake EFI on a tunnel ram, the EZ way........
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Been kinda tinkering around the garage with some parts I have been stashing away. Got 9 passes on the old truck this year with non-hooking 8.54s at 83mph in the 1/8th being about the last three of them. Looks like before I add more HP, I need a new rear suspension. Its binding up, bottoming out, and I have already broken the track bar twice, so its on my list this winter to upgrade to an 8-3/4 and new ladders and track bar. Along with a new EZ-efi system from FAST on my tunnel ram. I wanted to do something different, and I am having second thoughts on building a 416, so we will just have to make this little 360 be all it can be. 
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Re: Intake EFI on a tunnel ram, the EZ way........
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I was thinking about the same thing to use on top of a blower, with a Mega squirt as the control unit.
I was trying to get a quote for just the two throttle body assemblies from a certain member here, but I never got an answer.
From all the current throttle bodies with injectors these seem the most elegant packaging wise (others have the supply lines in less than ideal places).
Ran
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Re: Intake EFI on a tunnel ram, the EZ way........
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Never seen one of them before, Looks mighty nice.
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Re: Intake EFI on a tunnel ram, the EZ way........
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The kit is from FAST, and its called an EZ-efi system. No laptop needed, and its self learning. You pick the target A/F, and it hits it. When both TB's are bolted on, it will have 8 injectors and all the same stuff a standard efi sytem has. I got the whole kit from Rich on here. The cool thing about this system is it has an adjustable squirter shot like a regular efi system which is what previous TBI systems were missing. I hope it works as good as it looks. I still need one TB and the harness, but my tank is done, and ready for install as well. http://www.fuelairspark.com/ezefi/defaul...ePage_Banner_Ad 
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Re: Intake EFI on a tunnel ram, the EZ way........
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How do the injectors fire, batch/bank, or sequentially? How do you plan to control the 2 throttle bodies? I have also read the comments about injectors farther upstream, Figures, here's my SB efi project.
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Re: Intake EFI on a tunnel ram, the EZ way........
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Re: Intake EFI on a tunnel ram, the EZ way........
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Jcc, What controller are you going to use, and who's throttle bodies are those? You know with injectors right at the ports like you have it, you do not need the upper plenum, and could mount the TB's on just the lower half.  KMP I would assume yes based on the fact that you can set target A/F, but you would have to ask FAST man Rich N. about that. You set the target, and it programs the base VE to hit and maintane it. From what I understand, there is very little programming needed to make it work well. My Hemi on the other hand took some time to work it all out.
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Re: Intake EFI on a tunnel ram, the EZ way........
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I can't believe a 'carbs make more power' guy hasn't stepped in yet!
Yep, that new FAST system appears to be a great way to get EFI into the hands of those who want to avoid the laptop tuning aspect.
Here's one of my EFI science projects.
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Re: Intake EFI on a tunnel ram, the EZ way........
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Jcc,
What controller are you going to use, and who's throttle bodies are those? You know with injectors right at the ports like you have it, you do not need the upper plenum, and could mount the TB's on just the lower half.
The set-up as pictured was bought off ebay a couple years back for $500, It was set up by a guy in the efi business whose name escapes me, you might be able to see his cpmpany name engraved on the front of the throttle bodies. I was planning on using an Electromotive now tech 4? system. Although there seems to be now many decent choices, so I might rethink that. My intended use is on a yet to be fired up E head 4" Stroker roller cam SB that I got sitting around that Dram built, for street and road racing fun.
I never considered dropping the plenum, sounds interesting, certainly helps with hood clearance, but as with everything, whats the downside? 
Don't mean to steal this thread. 
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Re: Intake EFI on a tunnel ram, the EZ way........
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I can't believe a 'carbs make more power' guy hasn't stepped in yet!
Yep, that new FAST system appears to be a great way to get EFI into the hands of those who want to avoid the laptop tuning aspect.
Here's one of my EFI science projects.
I don't know who "carbs guy makes more power is" but I'd bet even dollars EFI doesn't. It's all on how much money you have I guess. A well tuned carb will run as good as an expensive fuel set up.
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Re: Intake EFI on a tunnel ram, the EZ way........
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[quote I never considered dropping the plenum, sounds interesting, certainly helps with hood clearance, but as with everything, whats the downside? Don't mean to steal this thread.
With the injectors in the runners, you definitly do not need the whole plenum. An adapter plate could be made, and you could run just the TB's on the lower half only. In my case, I just want to try it out and do not want to do major surgery yet. I might do the same even though my injectors are in the TB's, just got to see how they pattern in the intake.
Now as far as controllers, you could use this same EZ-efi controller from FAST with the self tune function and built in programmer, and just adapt it to 8 injectors. It will run 8 high impedence injectors in batch fire mode with no problem at all.
And for the naysayers of batch fire systems, my Hemi is batch fire at over 700hp, and idles and drives better than any carb setup I have ever had on it. Besides, sequential systems become batch fire at around 3000rpm anyways.
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