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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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That is nuts. I can see why the NHRA would think that a team member MIGHT be able to hide something if they did the teardown.
Still not a reason why they could watch.
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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What???
No way, wouldnt leave my stuff unattended.
PERIOD.
Wonder why noone has the stones to say NO to that???
Because you have no choice. Sure, you can refuse, then you are simply disqualified. It may not be right, but you don't have much of a choice if you want to race.
Monte
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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Its my understanding that you have always been allowed to be present during tear down. I watched them tear down at Indy, and the team was present. What if tech turns the wrong nob in the car? What if they go out to run and the car hits the wall? What if tech accidentally adjusted the shocks, and the car gets violent and crashes? THIS IS WRONG!!!!!   
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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The question is what was NHRA looking for?
What they have on the field you are not going to find in an hour anyway.
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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You draw the line at some point. THAT would be mine. Never been a member of the sheep crowd. Maybe the black ones like in the Harley comercial tho. 
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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I can think of at least 2 more that should have been included in that list .
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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It will be interesting to hear the other side of the story. Not allowing anyone in teardown is unusual, but I have seen guys pull things in teardown that you wouldn't believe. If 5 cars took 45 minutes you can bet they were not tearing much down. They were looking for something specific. I would guess that not allowing anyone in was to keep teams from telling the rest what they were looking for. After his tirade at the US Nats WJ probably dropped a dime on someone. What is your other option besides running NHRA in Pro Stock? Rebuild your whole combination and run in the relative obscurity of the IHRA or ADRL? That ain't gonna happen. 
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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They teams as racers should get together and put there foot down..If they all did it together, there is nut much NHRA could do..
They need to get together and form a new sanctioned body knock NHRA off the high horse.
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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I think NHRA should at least go on record why they are making this decision, and be open to other alternatives to achieve the same objective, such as mentioned, close circuit TV, or taping for later release, or have area roped off and viewed from a distance, etc.
Seems like a lot of safety liability this way.
But NASCAR does this all the time, but after a race, not during, right?
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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What???
No way, wouldnt leave my stuff unattended.
PERIOD.
Wonder why noone has the stones to say NO to that???
Because you have no choice. Sure, you can refuse, then you are simply disqualified. It may not be right, but you don't have much of a choice if you want to race.
Monte
I don't remember seeing anything in the book that covers this....will have to take a closer look 
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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After his tirade at the US Nats WJ probably dropped a dime on someone.
I would bet a cup of coffee on this too.
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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A little solidarity between the pro stocker's would stop that in it's tracks. If they all said no, NHRA would have no show to sell, and would maybe realize the sport belongs to the competitors, and fans, and that they're merely a facilitator.
Right on the money
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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Was Jerry Eckman or one of the Glidden boys seen hangin' out at someone's PS trailer or somethin'? 
No but Wayne County was.. 
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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A little solidarity between the pro stocker's would stop that in it's tracks. If they all said no, NHRA would have no show to sell, and would maybe realize the sport belongs to the competitors, and fans, and that they're merely a facilitator.
Right on the money
way way off, you dont think there will be 20 other people filling in the spots for the ones that get booted for not letting NHRA do what they want? so they wont be running 6.50's, but there would still be a 16 car field of "whos that?" racing.
people that dont ever qualify but try race after race will show up knowing they can get in and race now, and they'll show up. You guys are nuts to think that a united front will change anything.
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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A little solidarity between the pro stocker's would stop that in it's tracks. If they all said no, NHRA would have no show to sell, and would maybe realize the sport belongs to the competitors, and fans, and that they're merely a facilitator.
Right on the money
way way off, you dont think there will be 20 other people filling in the spots for the ones that get booted for not letting NHRA do what they want? so they wont be running 6.50's, but there would still be a 16 car field of "whos that?" racing.
people that dont ever qualify but try race after race will show up knowing they can get in and race now, and they'll show up. You guys are nuts to think that a united front will change anything.
Oh i think its dead-on,whos going to pay to see a bunch of no-names race.. 
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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Was Jerry Eckman or one of the Glidden boys seen hangin' out at someone's PS trailer or somethin'?
Not sure about this season, but Jerry has worked on a few teams in recent years.
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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Oh i think its dead-on,whos going to pay to see a bunch of no-names race..
The majority of the fans aren't there to see Pro Stock anyway.
P/S cars run on cubic dollars, and that money comes from someone else' pockets. How long do you think a sponsor will allow a car to be parked over something like this? These guys have no where else to race that will get them any exposure.
Professional racers have tried many times to band together, and I think the fuel guys do have a "union" now. It's pretty much toothless though.
I was joking about WJ dropping a dime, but in all seriousness, if I had reasonable suspicion that someone was cheating and had kept me out of a field I'd drop a dime in a heartbeat. It would be stupid not to. As has been said before, at 9 minutes a car they are looking for something very specific, and the only way to keep teams from telling each other what it is had to be sealed inspection.
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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What???
No way, wouldnt leave my stuff unattended.
PERIOD.
Wonder why noone has the stones to say NO to that???
Because you have no choice. Sure, you can refuse, then you are simply disqualified. It may not be right, but you don't have much of a choice if you want to race.
Monte
I don't remember seeing anything in the book that covers this....will have to take a closer look
Rickster
good point...
What does the good book say?
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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Oh i think its dead-on,whos going to pay to see a bunch of no-names race..
maybe a small small amount of people would feel like that are contribbuting by not going to watch, 
but the reality is that there are tons of people just sitting on the side lines that would fill the empty void of who ever it is that wouldnt be racing.
If someone is not going to go watch as a sign of solidarity to the teams, well there will still be people in the stands, becuase the sad fact that a lot of people cant seem to understand is, that the majority of people go to watch Nitro, not super stock, not comp, not even pro stock, but the loud, fire spitting blow em up fighting at top end nitro cars. and if you feel the need to say, well not me, then remember I said the MAJORITY of people...
the sport will survive, new teams will come and go and after time, no one will even remember that so and so was upset at a sealed inspection. The will struggle to remember so and so's name and if he was relivant to anything.
sad but true, if the current teams revolt against NHRA, there are lots of teams up and coming, and lots of comp racers that will gladly step up to get on tv on sunday.
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allow
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nhra inspect the pro stockers and GA can only qualify #11....????
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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A little solidarity between the pro stocker's would stop that in it's tracks. If they all said no, NHRA would have no show to sell, and would maybe realize the sport belongs to the competitors, and fans, and that they're merely a facilitator.
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You guys are nuts to think that a united front will change anything.
i don't know about that, it's worked pretty well in the past. were it not for united fronts we might not be able to do what we are right now
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allow
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I think if you read the rule book (I haven't) you will likely find a line that reads something to the effect of "at the sanctioning body's discretion". Which translated means the rules are for you not them.
Kevin
Exactly. Does not matter what the rule book says, it onlso has a passge that says "tech officials have the final say" and that means, you do what we say, or you don't race.
They are not tearing down motors here. They are looking for something specific. Likely in the shocks, or traction control. They will not actually be putting wrenches on the cars. That is specifically spelled out in the rule book, that crew members will disassemble any mechanical parts at the discretion of tech.
Warren is just mad, because it no longer takes just hard work to stay on top. You can now do it with money. If you have unlimited funds, you can have the best cars, best motors and best people to make it all work.
Totally off topic here, but there was a special on ESPN today about John Wooden and some of his old players were talking about his values and how tough he was. Walton was recalling about Wooden complaining about his hair and Walton told coach that he had no right to question his hair. Wooden replied, "you are right Bill, but I do have a say in who plays and we will miss you", Walton got a haircut.
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allow
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"They are looking for something specific" Or maybe they are looking for nothing at all.  Just throwing a fake out to shake up the troops. 
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allowed
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It's big O's new NHRA czar overseeing this.. 
whats Oprah have to do with this?? 
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Re: NHRA tears down Pro/stock teams ..No members allow
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watching the race from z max on espn and jason line said they went back to the shop and worked all nite on the carbs .he goes out the next round after setting new track record and loses to a.j.how could nhra allow them to leave the track when they are scrutenizeing the class? 
No rule against it. Actually they said he was on the dyno until midnight, working with the carbs. Again, no rule against it. He is not the first and won't be the last to go back to the shop or have something brought in. I was at INDY the year Lingenfelter rented a chopper to bring him in a spare engine. Then it rained and they used the chopper to help dry the track.
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