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528 Solid - Street Manners? #468252 09/14/09 08:52 PM 09/14/09 08:52 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 487 St Louis, MO, USA S srunge55 OP mopar
srunge55 OP mopar S Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 487 St Louis, MO, USA	I am building a 440 for a 69 GTX and I'm thinking of going with AndyF's 528 with HP manifolds formula. This will be a street car so I favor low end torque and I need good vacuum for power brakes. What can I expect from this cam? I would like a snappy street car. Any opinions welcome. My combo is as follows (mostly choosen because I have the parts): .040 440 KB 237 (around 10.2:1) Eddy Heads (closed chamber) Crane 1.5 Gold Rockers CH4B intake (air grabber hood) HP manifolds w/ 3" head pipe/exhaust 850 Holley DP 175K MP converter 3.55 Sure grip Thanks, steve

Re: 528 Solid - Street Manners? [Re: srunge55] #468253 09/14/09 09:02 PM 09/14/09 09:02 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,501 Gainesville,FL G goldmember master
goldmember master G Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,501 Gainesville,FL	More converter and headers would really help. For a simple valvetrain that doesn't require much spring it's not a bad choice. Last edited by goldmember; 09/14/09 09:05 PM.

Re: 528 Solid - Street Manners? [Re: srunge55] #468254 09/14/09 09:16 PM 09/14/09 09:16 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 212 Mid Michigan C Coronet-R/T-Rag enthusiast
Coronet-R/T-Rag enthusiast C Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 212 Mid Michigan	I've got the 528 in my 67 coronet. My combo is close to yours: thirty over 440 with flatops Iron heads with big valves and Muscle Motors port job. I've run the ch4b but now run street dominator 3.55 3000 stall 750 speed demon 1 7/8 headers The cam is very snappy. Loves more initial timing. As for power brakes, they are marginal. I have a vacume can but it still doesn't cut it. It idles well at 600 rpm in gear.

Re: 528 Solid - Street Manners? [Re: srunge55] #468255 09/14/09 09:45 PM 09/14/09 09:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon	The .528 has some lope to it even in a 470 inch motor so in a 440 you'll notice the idle. It is a nice street cam with good performance up to 6500 rpm or so. I know a lot of guys think it is a small cam but it really works good with exhaust manifolds and it makes plenty of power. In a 440 you'll want to advance it a little bit and you'll need to add some initial advance to the ignition and probably fiddle with the carb a bit to get a clean idle. The dual plane intake will help you out but you might find that even with the dual plane the 850DP won't be super friendly. Try it and see how it works but I wouldn't be surprised if a Edelbrock 800 cfm wouldn't work a lot nicer on the street than an old school 850DP. Last edited by AndyF; 09/14/09 09:47 PM.

Re: 528 Solid - Street Manners? [Re: srunge55] #468256 09/14/09 09:49 PM 09/14/09 09:49 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 212 Mid Michigan C Coronet-R/T-Rag enthusiast
Coronet-R/T-Rag enthusiast C Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 212 Mid Michigan	I shortned the advance slots on my distibutor and added more initial and it made a BIG difference with the 528. It does idle well and has great power.

Re: 528 Solid - Street Manners? [Re: AndyF] #468257 09/14/09 10:28 PM 09/14/09 10:28 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 487 St Louis, MO, USA S srunge55 OP mopar
srunge55 OP mopar S Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 487 St Louis, MO, USA	What would you compare this cam to in a hydraulic flat tappet? I am worried about it being to much for my power brakes and the sweetspot seems a little higher than the cams I have been looking at (2400 rpm as opposed to 16/1800). I really want to run the HP manifolds and its hard to ignore the articles Andy has written in regard to the MP 528. I do have a Stock 440 Carter AVS I could rebuild. Would that be a better choice.

Re: 528 Solid - Street Manners? [Re: srunge55] #468258 09/14/09 11:53 PM 09/14/09 11:53 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,884 Michigan MNobody master
MNobody master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,884 Michigan	I'm running one in my SB, 11pnds vacuum in gear at 750 rpm, 21 initial 38 total, pulls good up to 6800 with a weiand excelerator single plane intake.

Re: 528 Solid - Street Manners? [Re: srunge55] #468259 09/15/09 05:19 AM 09/15/09 05:19 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada R RUNCHARGER I Live Here
RUNCHARGER I Live Here R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada	I've ran the 528 in a couple of 440's now and they idled dead smooth and ran power brakes like a stocker. I expected it to have some lope and low vacuum but that was not the case for me. Tell your aunt Bessie you have a stock 318 under the hood and she won't be able to tell unless she slaps the throttle. Sheldon

Re: 528 Solid - Street Manners? [Re: RUNCHARGER] #468260 09/15/09 06:16 AM 09/15/09 06:16 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,432 Warren, MI 71TA I Live Here
71TA I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,432 Warren, MI	I have the 528 in my 470 (that AndyF built the shortblock). Have port Edelbrock heads, headers, an Edelbrock dual-plane, just installed a Demon 850 DP. Have 16 or 18 degrees of intital. The thing starts on the first revolution every time. Idles with some lope. I'mable to granny drive around the neighborhood all day. And mashing the pedal to the floor cause a lot of smoke behind the car for some reason GREAT cam. Intially I had a slightly larger mechanical and a single plane. UGH. Hated it. No bottom end. Loaded up when I would granny drive it. Didn't turn on till 2000 rpm. PS I have manual brakes but get solid vacuum in the low teens which should be good enough for power brakes. PPS When I get time I'm gonna pull the TTI headers off and install manifolds. www.DetroitMuscleTechnologies.com Mopar body and heater box restoration gaskets

Re: 528 Solid - Street Manners? [Re: RUNCHARGER] #468261 09/15/09 06:20 AM 09/15/09 06:20 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,392 nielsville, minn. Q quickd100 master
quickd100 master Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,392 nielsville, minn.	I ran it in a $300 440 I threw together for my truck a few years ago. It was a torque monster, it was picking the front wheels 6-8" on launch. Dave

Re: 528 Solid - Street Manners? [Re: quickd100] #468262 09/15/09 12:08 PM 09/15/09 12:08 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,825 Sk. Canada RemCharger master
RemCharger master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,825 Sk. Canada	Great cam. My buddy just went 11.0 in his cuda ,440 inch, trw poptops, edelbrocks.

Re: 528 Solid - Street Manners? [Re: srunge55] #468263 09/15/09 12:15 PM 09/15/09 12:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,058 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,058 U.S.S.A.	Quote: CH4B intake (air grabber hood) you beeter check hood clearance real close wit hthat manifold , it's taller than stock a little and at least one board member dented his hood on some bad advice that it would clear ... from me because I ASSuMEd it was the same height as stock ...

Re: 528 Solid - Street Manners? [Re: quickd100] #468264 09/15/09 01:17 PM 09/15/09 01:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest M MoparforLife Too Many Posts
MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Quote: I ran it in a $300 440 I threw together for my truck a few years ago. It was a torque monster, it was picking the front wheels 6-8" on launch. Dave Dave you must have donw something right, Larry put one in his mid 12 second 440 wagon along with KB pistons in place of his 509 and went backwards. Had much better manners and streetability but the 509 was much more cam for the strip for him. It is actually a lessor cam than the 509 after you take the lash off the .528 you end up in the .500 area.

Re: 528 Solid - Street Manners? [Re: JohnRR] #468265 09/15/09 01:50 PM 09/15/09 01:50 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 487 St Louis, MO, USA S srunge55 OP mopar
srunge55 OP mopar S Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 487 St Louis, MO, USA	John, would you happen to know what carb your friend used when it hit the hood? I wonder if a Holley as opposed to a Carter/Eddlebrock would make a difference.

Re: 528 Solid - Street Manners? [Re: srunge55] #468266 09/15/09 05:49 PM 09/15/09 05:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	3" pipe w/ manis is over kill, but you can always go w/ headers later. I'm running the 528 w/ this set-up...440-6 about 11:1 seems to be nice and responsive, altough I'm still in the tuning stages. 727 2800 stall (about a 175k) and 3.91. Ported closed chamber heads, 1.5 rollers, headers and 3" all the way back. I set the lash at .024-.028 instead of the .028-.032 as the cam card states...might even try .020-.024 5484524-eng1a.jpg (28 downloads) [IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/pui5j.jpg[/IMG] Coming soon!!!!

Re: 528 Solid - Street Manners? [Re: srunge55] #468267 09/15/09 05:51 PM 09/15/09 05:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Quote: John, would you happen to know what carb your friend used when it hit the hood? I wonder if a Holley as opposed to a Carter/Eddlebrock would make a difference. only difference is down track as in the holley is WAY better...lol CH4B should fit under the hood no problems even w/ a holley. I ran one on my 67 coronet w/ a 1/2 4 hole spacer and no problems.

Re: 528 Solid - Street Manners? [Re: MoparforLife] #468268 09/15/09 09:37 PM 09/15/09 09:37 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,392 nielsville, minn. Q quickd100 master
quickd100 master Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,392 nielsville, minn.	Quote: Quote: I ran it in a $300 440 I threw together for my truck a few years ago. It was a torque monster, it was picking the front wheels 6-8" on launch. Dave Dave you must have donw something right, Larry put one in his mid 12 second 440 wagon along with KB pistons in place of his 509 and went backwards. Had much better manners and streetability but the 509 was much more cam for the strip for him. It is actually a lessor cam than the 509 after you take the lash off the .528 you end up in the .500 area. Don; I remember you telling me about Larry's 528 experience. I was running 11.26-1 with the 528, that might have made the difference. My cranking compression was 205 psi. Other than that everything was the same, it was hooking so hard the body twisted enough to pop my drivers door open on launch. Dave

Re: 528 Solid - Street Manners? [Re: MNobody] #468269 09/16/09 12:49 AM 09/16/09 12:49 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,505 DFW M mr_340 master
mr_340 master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,505 DFW	Quote: I'm running one in my SB, 11pnds vacuum in gear at 750 rpm, 21 initial 38 total, pulls good up to 6800 with a weiand excelerator single plane intake. I also got 11" Hg vacuum on my 340, but I didn't put that much initial advance (10), but spent a lot of time getting the TQ to work. It clatters like an old slant six with the wide .028"/.032" lash. I tightened it up a little and made the vacuum worse. I just had a TQ and intake and 340 manifolds. I never took it much past 6000 though. I measured it at 245 degrees at .050". I probably should have left the compression at 10.5 with that cam. Even at 9:1, it still pumped 150psi on a compression check. Floyd Lippencott IV

Re: 528 Solid - Street Manners? [Re: mr_340] #468270 09/16/09 01:12 AM 09/16/09 01:12 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	I can tell you this. My friend had a 440 in his 65 Ply with the .528 cam and I had a 383 with the .484 cam. He always complained that the .484 in my 383 had more lope then the .528 in his 440 and it did. But the .528 is a great cam to use with exh manifolds. Andy F has proved that on the dyno with some of the engines he has built. Yes it does not have alot of lope but who cares if it runs great. Now I run the .557 cam in my 63 and I have power brakes. And the power brakes work fine for me as they stop with nornal pedal effort and have never gave me a hard pedal. So you should be fine running power brakes with the .528 cam. Good luck , Ron

Re: 528 Solid - Street Manners? [Re: 383man] #468271 09/16/09 10:53 AM 09/16/09 10:53 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I ran the .528 MP in a 440 powered '71 'Cuda with 3.23 gears and a 2500 stall. Great street manners and reasonably fast at the track too! It did tractionless 13.5's @ 104 with a stock cast iron intake and 750 Holley on top. 9.5:1 CR. The cam and Holley were really the only mods to the engine. I drove it at the track like I drove it on the street. Same crappy radials.

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