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let me chime in from the younger generation (i'm 22)- sure, i may be an oddball in my generation, but i dislike the rice cars mainly because every teenage boy that has a civic thinks they have a 10 second car - it's just ridiculous. i've worked with a couple guys who (admittedly) drove stock hondas and thought they'd run sub 10 second quarters.

i was actually looking at an evo a few years ago in addition to an srt-4 as a DD - didn't get either. i've had one jap, actually korean, car and it was a 1.5L 5 speed (not much of a car lol), and it was pretty quick off the line, but at about 40, it was done.

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The cars are quick, theres no doubt about it. You can call me closed minded all you want but I have a buddy with a 300ZX Twin Turbo, and another with a Mitsubishi Mirage with a 4G63 out of an Eclipse GST running upwards of 20 pounds of boost. I drove it, it was fast (had nothing under 4000 rpm though), but im not into it. There is still no replacement for displacement. At the end of the day if you want to match the boost of any smaller engine running boost, you will make more power.

As far as the EVOs and STis go, they are very over rated due to the 0-60 times and ETs that they run because of their AWD. If you race one from a stop then that matters, but in my area most racing is done from a roll. My friends ZX TT has absolutely waxed every STi thats ever challenged it from a roll and its pretty stock. He only raced one EVO and by 90 he had put enough distance between them that the EVO gave up.

Also, have you ever calculated the first gear ratio in one of those things? They arent surprisingly quick because they are so much lighter than our cars (theyre not) or because there is some black magic to the engines. They are geared extremely quick. First overall is over 13:1 and even second is like 9:1. With that kind of gearing it better move.

I know my competition, and I know how much money these guys dump in their cars. One guy I know of is 60000 into his car to put down almost 500 at the wheels. Even a used high mileage EVO costs 15 K + and thats a good deal. At the point at which I'm 15000 into my car it will be in the 11s with a FRESH engine, not a 100000 mile engine that some kid has beaten the crap out of before me which has had two atomospheres of pressure inside the combustion chamber everytime the pedal was mashed.

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let me chime in from the younger generation (i'm 22)- sure, i may be an oddball in my generation, but i dislike the rice cars mainly because every teenage boy that has a civic thinks they have a 10 second car - it's just ridiculous. i've worked with a couple guys who (admittedly) drove stock hondas and thought they'd run sub 10 second quarters.

i was actually looking at an evo a few years ago in addition to an srt-4 as a DD - didn't get either. i've had one jap, actually korean, car and it was a 1.5L 5 speed (not much of a car lol), and it was pretty quick off the line, but at about 40, it was done.

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tell them theres a guy in Des moines with a "high 11's" dart that will race them for $1000 a pop ... Ill even bring it up there -

we used to street race on a nice open strip up there, right off Oralabor Rd-i think E 29th? on the very southeast edge of town . Im sure its all developed up there by now

If you want to run your car at Eddyville before this season is over -- send me a PM - i race there all the time.

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What 1/4 mile time does your AAR cuda run? Just curious because it's harder to put down that kind of power on the street on crappy asphalt with a torqey rwd than a awd car that's softer on the bottom end. You could easily spin hard on the launch and he could have hooked hard and put a length on you right at launch. Once you hooked I'm sure you'd have reeled him in but in his mind he'd have already won. That and I'm sure you're not gonna be lifting any tires on the street. Surface streets are just not that great for traction: dust, dirt, asphalt hurt a rwd more than a awd. But then even if you did a horrid launch there's every possibility the guy can't drive his own car for crap and you'd smoke him anyway.

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This is exactly why we would carry jugs of VHT when we street raced (back in the day) .We would also show up with slicks.
The other guys would get so mad.... we would tell them "you should come out to street race prepared! "

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Goldmember- ahhh, ignorance is bliss.
my little primered honda will run 13's all day everyday. Does not matter if it's 110 degrees outside or 55. It's cosistant with shift points at 9k. No it isn't the worlds fastest car, I never said it was. All I was saying is be careful or you might get surprised but some jap C***. I have a race car too, and yes it will stomp most any ricer, but I sure wouldn't want to drive it daily with no heater, no wipers, no a/c, no abs,no pdb, no power windows, no interior and almost no exhaust. It's not a regualaly street driven car, but it can go on the street. With its whopping 6mpg i'd be stupid to claim it was a driver.

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Up front I'll say that your post was pretty even keel and level headed/realistic, no disrespect or anything intended.... However, while reading the above I couldn't help but think to myself "What's the fun/challenge in putting a pumped up chainsaw engine in a hollowed out coffe can?" I mean seriously it's barely what most people would even deem as a real car with everything you mentioned removed, I've owned Go-karts with more amminities, and IMO more style points than a gutted primered Civic as well..

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God how I love to lol

69b3gt- look here, goldmember- first said I need to bring cash to race him... So with your whole drive across the country b.s. stuff why not pick on him for saying the same thing
Goldmember- ahhh, ignorance is bliss.
my little primered honda will run 13's all day everyday. Does not matter if it's 110 degrees outside or 55. It's cosistant with shift points at 9k. No it isn't the worlds fastest car, I never said it was. All I was saying is be careful or you might get surprised but some jap C***. I have a race car too, and yes it will stomp most any ricer, but I sure wouldn't want to drive it daily with no heater, no wipers, no a/c, no abs,no pdb, no power windows, no interior and almost no exhaust. It's not a regualaly street driven car, but it can go on the street.






Sorry,you missed the I installed in the challenge to kill your pile of crap. It's a joke!! Get it!! I don't pick on the local Honda pilots and even have buddies with turbo charged/stippers that run pretty well,when they actually aren't broken! Don't bring up what others have for fast cars as it's not important and is useless,YADDAYADDA. I have friends that race 7 second rides on the street for large $$$$,but I'm not the type to claim it has any bearing on my rides or habits. Your really wasting time here. Good luck with your very fast car and your dreams.

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If you run 11's and he was just stock with exhaust, you would have smoked him..BUT..there are many fast DSM's and EVO's out there..


7.70's in the 1/4


9's on race gas and low 10's on pump gas

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I always wanted to build on of those Eagle Talon AWD cars.

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I remember when the Talon was going 9's he would drive it to Norwalk that thing would squat so hard on launch....you had to see it ...that car is bad ass

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