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440Source vs. alternatives #440511
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For those who don't like 440Source, for whatever reason, what are the alternatives, their quality, their price, and their customer service? How are the parts you are recommending better?

440Source prices
Heads: $899/pr.
Crank: $599
Rods: $429
Pistons: $549

or kit price: $1499

Re: 440Source vs. alternatives [Re: 375inStroke] #440512
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What do you mean by 'alternatives'? Other sellers of asian made parts? There are several with varying degrees of how much work is done stateside. Some of the companies like 440source do all the work overseas where some others do everything overseas except the final finishing work in the US. Then there are others who do everything in the US. Price goes up each notch you go towards US work.

Are you honestly looking for alternatives or are you just looking to ?

Re: 440Source vs. alternatives [Re: 375inStroke] #440513
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For those who don't like 440Source, for whatever reason, what are the alternatives, their quality, their price, and their customer service? How are the parts you are recommending better?

440Source prices
Heads: $899/pr.
Crank: $599
Rods: $429
Pistons: $549

or kit price: $1499




$1499 for all that ? ....... GIVE ME a couple of those "kits" !

Re: 440Source vs. alternatives [Re: dOc …] #440514
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Sorry. $1499 for crank, rods, and pistons. They may have just changed that price, because now, I can only find this:

In EVERY kit, we include everything you need, crank, rods, pistons, pins, locks, Clevite main bearings, Clevite rod bearings, Total Seal file fit moly rings, AND precision final balanced, all for just $1897!!

Re: 440Source vs. alternatives [Re: 375inStroke] #440515
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Quote: "For those who don't like 440Source, for whatever reason, what are the alternatives, their quality, their price, and their customer service? How are the parts you are recommending better?"



You cannot beat 440source's quality/value for the money. I'll look for your next thread:"Walmart alternatives, for those who don't like walmart"




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Re: 440Source vs. alternatives [Re: Hoof Hearted] #440516
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I think hs is honestly asking a question.
Heads you have Edelbrock, Mopar (Edelbrock with straight plugs), Indy.
Cranks, you have Scat, Eagle, K1, Crower(?)

Anyone want to help on this?

Re: 440Source vs. alternatives [Re: RodStRace] #440517
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Yeah, this could become a good reference thread as long as the about vendors stays away...

List all the parts options here, then let folks search teh threads as-needed for quality reports.


Parts I seek: driver doorpanel, 65 Sport Fury, prefer black, needs to be 7-8 on 10 scale, might buy set 16" x 6" Dodge truck wheel(s), from early 70s?, takes 9" dogdish - need for a research job so cheaper is better. 69-73 C-body caliper brackets and/or splashields Send a PM.
Re: 440Source vs. alternatives [Re: Fury Fan] #440518
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I went with the 440source kit when it was a lot cheaper, the 500 stroker kit. and then used Eddy heads before the 440source heads were available. I dont know how their heads are for quality but I have no issues with Brandon, hes always been fair with me. He took some parts back and exchanged them after they sat here for a few months too, after I asked for the wrong size. In my book thats above and beyond and my next stroker kit will come from him as well. $1900 for a balanced rotating assembly seems fair.

Dave

Re: 440Source vs. alternatives [Re: RUMBLON] #440519
08/17/09 03:40 PM
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I have the Stealths as well as a few other people I know.Mine are 2 years and no problesm.My kid has their min starter and one guy running their water pump setup.No problems with anything.Rocky


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Re: 440Source vs. alternatives [Re: 375inStroke] #440520
08/18/09 11:36 AM
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Edelebrock RPM heads (4650) (MADE IN USA) $1479
PEP Crank (21812) $575.00
PEP Rods (10101) $369.00
Keith Black Forged Piston (Made in USA) (2334) $472.00
Balanced Kit $1896.00 Free Delivery this month!
Hughes Engines tech support (Born in USA) $PRICELESS

Thanks for the opportunity to compare prices and value.

Kevin @ Hughes

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Re: 440Source vs. alternatives [Re: therocks] #440521
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No matter which heads or stroker you buy they still need checked.Never assume they are OOTB ready.Rocky


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Re: 440Source vs. alternatives [Re: Hughes] #440522
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Keith Black Forged Piston (Made in USA) (2334) $472.00


Thanks for the opportunity to compare prices and value.

Kevin @ Hughes






Some of us guys don't mind spending an extra few $$$
to upgrade parts. How much more is the upgrade
from a K.B. piston to a better one.
Thankyou


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Re: 440Source vs. alternatives [Re: BDS871Cuda] #440523
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Thank you, Kevin at Hughes. I haven't heard of PEP before, and kind of figured your level of quality was going to be much higher! That's what we need, a real listing of what everyone has to offer.

Re: 440Source vs. alternatives [Re: RodStRace] #440524
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If you're going to compare apples to apples then lets not forget the 440source kit comes with bearings and rings for $1897.

Re: 440Source vs. alternatives [Re: Stanton] #440525
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And uses KB forged pistons too.

Are the Hughes "PEP" rods/crank the old CAT PEP company??


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Re: 440Source vs. alternatives [Re: RodStRace] #440526
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One more thing to add here and I hope most of you will agree with me.

What bank loaned you money when the others rejected you?

Which girl first said yes to you're asking her out on a date while others said no?

How many times has the guys on Moparts dropped what they're doing to look up something or help you with a question that no one else had the answer to?

I could go on with various examples to make my point, but it is simply this: While the other engine kit builders were getting bookoo Bucks for thier stroker kits, 440source.com came on the scene with great products, reasonably priced kits, and for those of you on a budget or don't have a machine shop in your area to balance the rotating assemblies they also offer that as well at a reasonable price.

I don't forget those Moparts sponsors who have helped our hobby, while also forcing thier competitors lower thier prices to match 440source.

For the record, i've never heard anything negative about Hughes and I understand they enjoy a well deserved good reputation as they too have contributed alot to advance our hobby.



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Re: 440Source vs. alternatives [Re: 375inStroke] #440527
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The most common aluminum bigblock heads are:
Edelbrock RPM, Victor, Victor M/W
440 Source Stealth
Mopar Performance StgVI
Indy - Several versions of their heads to choose from.
Brodix B1, B1bs, B1ts, etc.
Stage V - Hemi conversion head.
Preditor? (sorry, don't know too much about these?)

FWIW, my 500" stroker kit from 440 source came with Keith Black forged pistons, and I bought my Edelbrock Victor M/W Heads and Indy intake from Hughes Engines.
I have had good customer service at both vendors, and have used several of the Hughes Engines cams/lifters/spring sets in several engines.

Both companies also have very good and informative web suites.

Re: 440Source vs. alternatives [Re: therocks] #440528
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No matter which heads or stroker you buy they still need checked.Never assume they are OOTB ready.Rocky




OK then ... at what point do you take-their-word that the parts are "right" ?

With a complete engine or transmission ? .. or do you have to take-it-apart and check EACH and every-one of those individual parts?

Re: 440Source vs. alternatives [Re: dOc …] #440529
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Quote:

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No matter which heads or stroker you buy they still need checked.Never assume they are OOTB ready.Rocky




OK then ... at what point do you take-their-word that the parts are "right" ?

With a complete engine or transmission ? .. or do you have to take-it-apart and check EACH and every-one of those individual parts?




If it is a Crate Hemi, I'd say yes tear it down!


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: 440Source vs. alternatives [Re: dOc …] #440530
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Quote:

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No matter which heads or stroker you buy they still need checked.Never assume they are OOTB ready.Rocky




OK then ... at what point do you take-their-word that the parts are "right" ?

With a complete engine or transmission ? .. or do you have to take-it-apart and check EACH and every-one of those individual parts?




Well, with my 440 source stroker kit is was not "perfect" OOTB, but if I installed it in the OOTH condition it would have worked OK.
There is no way the Edelbrock victor M/W heads were going to work OOTB. The pushrod holes are just too small and rocker arms are hard to get with the correct offset.

From the horror stories I have heard about the Mopar crate engines, you may want to tear it apart and check everything?

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