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Source for Carter AFB parts??
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Trying to dial in my stock carb on my 67 R/T.. Would like to play with the jets and needles.. Anyone know of any sources?? I looked at edelbrock and all of the kits are sourced with there new carb numbers?? If these work anyway to cross over the parts numbers to my original carter?? Thanks
EDIT... I am trying to get better MPG out of my car... Not looking for some ridiculous high MPG numbers, but VERY tired of the 5-7 MPG it gets now idling, cruising, or freeway travel.. 2.94 butt gears are in the car...
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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The Edelbrock parts interchange as long as the original carb is using the two-step metering rods.
Attached it a chart I put together to list and sort the rods, and has some other information.
The list of first choice rods makes a nice selection for tuning and are near the average sizes of avaliable rods to they make good starting points for tuning. Some of the rods (Yellow) have very small or very large step sizes and would usually only be used in rare situations.
You should also get a set of the step-up springs so you can tune the vacuum point when the rod transitions from lean to rich.
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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The E-brock rods tend to have a larger step in 'em than the old Carter strip kit parts or the OE stuff. May or may not be what you want.
Their numbering system makes a LOT more sense, though.
I have raided a bunch of rods out of every old core I've come across. Can't have too many options...
BTW, if you want to swap between the two and three step rods, I believe all you need to do is change to the 'domed' cover that goes over 'em. At least, that's what I've done.
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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eddie 1487 strip kit
I believe my carb is a 750CFM ( 4327S).. Wouldn't the 1480 kit be the one I would want if I buy an edelbrock kit??
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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I assumed that they were all interchangeable but I could be wrong there. The sticker on the side of my 1487 strip kit says "calibration kit for edelbrock carburetor series(1406)".
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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I assumed that they were all interchangeable but I could be wrong there. The sticker on the side of my 1487 strip kit says "calibration kit for edelbrock carburetor series(1406)".
I hear you Robert, but the 1406 is a 600cfm carb.. Would probably work, but I just don't know?? I guess I need to take mine apart and see where I am at...
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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Thanks for all the responses.. I am getting ready to try to dial in my car for better gas mileage ( stock 67 440 with original carb) and want to have the parts ready when I disassemble the carb.. Tired of getting 5-7 MPG.. At a car cruise idling around the fuel gauge moves down as fast as a tach needle....
I am gonna lower the fuel level a touch and then play with the needles, springs and jets.. Any suggestions????
Don't lower the fuel level, unless the carb is flooding. If the fuel level is set too low it will never run right.
A step up spring with less tension will help with mialage, and maybe a rod with a larger step size, but it will take some trial and error testing.
If you have access to a chassis dyno, it will speed up the tuning process.
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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Thanks for all the responses.. I am getting ready to try to dial in my car for better gas mileage ( stock 67 440 with original carb) and want to have the parts ready when I disassemble the carb.. Tired of getting 5-7 MPG.. At a car cruise idling around the fuel gauge moves down as fast as a tach needle....
I am gonna lower the fuel level a touch and then play with the needles, springs and jets.. Any suggestions????
Don't lower the fuel level, unless the carb is flooding. If the fuel level is set too low it will never run right.
A step up spring with less tension will help with mialage, and maybe a rod with a larger step size, but it will take some trial and error testing.
If you have access to a chassis dyno, it will speed up the tuning process.
One of the reasons for "thinking" about lowering the fuel level is that when I back the car down my very steep driveway it will flood out and die.. I know when I set the new floats they were spot on, but???? Thanks
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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yeah my 1406 is a 600 & my mileage isn't good either & this is a 70's 318 in a light 65 dart.
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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That's why I posted a tuning and trouble shooting guide for a Carter AFB.
OK thanks... I didn't scroll down far enough, thought it was a CFM chart only...
Do the springs on the metering rods weaken with time?? I assume mine are 42 years old....
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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Sounds like a old carter 10-201 kit is what you need.
Happen to still have one in the garage. Kit was missing the .074 jets, when I bought it new, but had extra sets of needles and seats.
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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How do you measure the jets if you cant read the numbers?? I can't see the numbers on the secondary jets...
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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the rods, 16-164 are as follows .0625-.060-.053 Before changing everything in the carb verify your timing and advance curves and make sure your vacuum advance works. I'd remove the one large heavy spring from your distributer and leave the slot blank. Make sure you clean all the gummed up parts inside your distributer and lube them while you're inside it. Set your total timing to 36-38 degrees with your vacuum advance disconected. If your motor is in decent shape along with your trans you should be able to make 14-18mpg on the highway driving it nice. If your carb isn't a complete pile of junk should be crisp, snappy and respnsive with just a basic tuneup. As stated previously, make sure your metering rods are seated at idle and not fluttering up and down. I got 10+mpg with my 4327 running a 509 cam,M1 single plane, headers, 10" 3800rpm stall converter, and 4.56 gears. It also ran a 1.63 60ft. and 12.20@106 in the 1/4 in the truck. Dave
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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Interesting..
Took my carb apart and the main jets are stamped 498....
the meter rods say 16-164, and they are just about worn through where they pivot on the plunger.. I cannot find these numbers on the chart snoopy sent me...
I seemed to have left out one of the two longer top screws, the one in the back.. Under it is a rectangular area that doesn't seem to do anything, but it was full of gas.. I wonder if gas was coming out of the screw hole and filling this area then flowing into the engine??
Sounds like you have the three-stage metering rods and tall jets for those rods. The carb should have the domed step-up rod covers too?
Carter used to have a strip kit for the three stage rods/jets, but it has been N/A since the early 1980's, so most people just swap to using the two stage rods/jets, and use a flat cover, or fill the cover with epoxy, so the bottom is flat.
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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Interesting..
Took my carb apart and the main jets are stamped 498....
the meter rods say 16-164, and they are just about worn through where they pivot on the plunger.. I cannot find these numbers on the chart snoopy sent me...
I seemed to have left out one of the two longer top screws, the one in the back.. Under it is a rectangular area that doesn't seem to do anything, but it was full of gas.. I wonder if gas was coming out of the screw hole and filling this area then flowing into the engine??
Sounds like you have the three-stage metering rods and tall jets for those rods. The carb should have the domed step-up rod covers too?
Carter used to have a strip kit for the three stage rods/jets, but it has been N/A since the early 1980's, so most people just swap to using the two stage rods/jets, and use a flat cover, or fill the cover with epoxy, so the bottom is flat.
Yeah the covers are domed and maybe I do have the 3 step rods... Time for some pics.....
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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both of these are the same length which appears to be 3.145" also. EDIT the eddie is a 2 step & the oe AVS is a 3 step
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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I eyeballed the 2 in the pic real close & the power step at the tip is the same length and the eddie has a tapered transition to the cruise step whereas the oe avs is abrupt & the eddie cruise step is shorter than the avs cruise and intermediate steps combined. I think this bears a try(both rod types w each cap on each). EDIT check the difference in materials in Snoopys AFB kit and my Eddie one
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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I posted the sizes of the metering rods, I believe your primary jets were .098, the secondary jets should be .080 on the pump side and .083 on the passenger side. Dave
Different sized jets in the secondaries? Mine were both .079 ........
Trying to get my camera to work to show a pic of how bad the metering rods were..
Carter strip kit purchased through a member here and some eddy springs coming....
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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Interesting..
Took my carb apart and the main jets are stamped 498....
the meter rods say 16-164, and they are just about worn through where they pivot on the plunger.. I cannot find these numbers on the chart snoopy sent me...
I seemed to have left out one of the two longer top screws, the one in the back.. Under it is a rectangular area that doesn't seem to do anything, but it was full of gas.. I wonder if gas was coming out of the screw hole and filling this area then flowing into the engine??
Sounds like you have the three-stage metering rods and tall jets for those rods. The carb should have the domed step-up rod covers too?
Are the 3 stage jets taller than the 2 stage?? my primary jets seem to be a little taller than the secondary??/
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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Are the 3 stage jets taller than the 2 stage?? my primary jets seem to be a little taller than the secondary??/
The jets in the strip kit are all the same height, .191" OAL
Did you find a source for the springs?
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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Are the 3 stage jets taller than the 2 stage?? my primary jets seem to be a little taller than the secondary??/
There is no rods going to the secondaries. There is jets, no rods.
RT, thanks for the reply... I realize there are no MRods to the secondary jets.. My primary jets are taller than my secondary..
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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The three step setup used a taller primary jet. You could use the domed covers with the taller jet and 2-step rods, but if you use the shorter jets (same height as the rear jets) then you would use the flat cover.
This is the answer I was looking for.. IF I have 3 step Mrods, the area between the 2nd and 3rd step is so worn you cannot tell.. AND I am concerned that the primary jets have wear in them also....
I have a carter strip kit coming from a member and just want to make sure what rods and jets I can use with my domed caps...
Anyone have some old carter parts lying around?? I would like to get a pair of the flat Metering rod piston covers/tops????? Any idea if the new Eddy covers will fit my carb??
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I wouldn't get all hung up over the 3 step rods. Use the Edelbrock strip kit and the 2 step rods, it'll work just fine. The different size jets in the secondaries isn't uncommon. If you look close yu'll also note the snivies on a couple of the boosters. Snivies are the little metal tabs attached to the boosters that stick out into the airstream. They are there to help with fuel distribution, to keep some cylinders from going rich or lean. That's also why in some cases the jetting is staggered.
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Dave not stuck on the 3 step Mrods, just want to make sure I don't frankenstein it back together with a mix of 3 and 2 stage parts..
Again the wear on the metering rods is significant, and I don't feel comfortable reusing my .098 main jets because of this...
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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Did you find a source for the springs?
Yes, I ordered an eddy spring kit.. If it doesn't work ( $6) no biggie.. I spent more last night on one Carribean mudslide at my hangout..
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Re: Source for Carter AFB parts??
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You may have to replace the metering rod pistons. Maybe someone will measure the height of a two step piston for comparison.
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You may have to replace the metering rod pistons. Maybe someone will measure the height of a two step piston for comparison.
I dug out an old avs I have and guess what .... domed piston covers... I will probably need to find and old afb with flat covers to rob parts from....
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John thanks for the offer, BUT your pm box is full ........
But I found your email.. thanks
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