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Re: P5 heads [Re: Scamp451] #436715
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Wow Scamp, that is just freakin wild!!!

Re: P5 heads [Re: HEMIDARTS] #436716
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sb hemi quattro..

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Re: P5 heads [Re: Diablo] #436717
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So what do they flow??? How big of an intake valve is in them???




Good question. As I learn a little more about cylinder heads, I would be curious to see what the runner looks like, the P7's look to be about 2-3 feet long!

P5- 10° intake, 2° exhaust valve angles, and use a 5/16" stem based on the literature I found.

I had read or heard somewhere that they were trying to run a Hemi head when they were getting back in NASCAR, and NASCAR not only said NO but H*** NO! Perhaps that is how the P7 was developed? I know there are some on this board that know alot more about it than me.

This is the only stock photo I could find of the P5's.

"Starting" with a 8.600" deck height, the rod must be the length of a 289 Ford or something, even with a 3.150" stoke? I guess they were bread to sing, rather than grunt.

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Re: P5 heads [Re: LA360] #436718
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From one of Zippy's earlier post.

"That would be P5007151AC which is marketed as an R4 block machined for use with P5 heads. As of today there are 7 of them in Mopar's national stock."

I think the XR guys thought they could machine a block that would work with P5s.

Re: P5 heads [Re: RichV] #436719
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So if I am reading your post correctly, ONLY the R4 will accept these heads. I thought that one of the XR's would be able to accept the P5's, but I guess not. I saw an R4 on junk recently, not sure if it is still there.

The R4 has a dual tappet angle which is interesting 48 in. 59 ex. No provision for internal wet sump or factory stype distributor.

Not sure how old that earlier post is, but would also be curious to see if any heads show up on the locator?

Re: P5 heads [Re: Scamp451] #436720
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There were 2 versions of the R-4 block........one for the P-5
head (48º/59º tappet) and one for the wedge. (straight 48º)

Gilberto posted the 4 cylinder block that used a single P-5 HEMI
head. There was a Comp Eliminator @ INDY several years ago
that ran that......but, assume you meant a V-8 block.

Re: P5 heads [Re: Scamp451] #436721
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Here is another pic!

Re: P5 heads [Re: JSL] #436722
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Quote:

There were 2 versions of the R-4 block........one for the P-5
head (48º/59º tappet) and one for the wedge. (straight 48º)

Gilberto posted the 4 cylinder block that used a single P-5 HEMI
head. There was a Comp Eliminator @ INDY several years ago
that ran that......but, assume you meant a V-8 block.




Is this the car?

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Re: P5 heads [Re: Scamp451] #436723
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Any more pictures/info?


Re: P5 heads [Re: S/ST 3040] #436724
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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: P5 heads [Re: Dragula] #436725
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Thanks for posting that Dragula!!!

Man i wish i would have bought one of those trucks instead of my Arrow.

Re: P5 heads [Re: HEMIDARTS] #436726
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interesting topic...
I was thinking about a r3 block without lifter holes then you can make it fit and get those cubes
however many of the p5 castings were crap, I was offered to buy 2 pairs with intakes and hardware for a very god price but the seller advised against me buying !!, because of water leaks and other problems


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Re: P5 heads [Re: mafo] #436727
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Re: P5 heads [Re: mafo] #436728
10/10/10 07:26 PM
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Scott Gove runs one in his SS/AM car and he said it wasn't much better than his W8 motor.

Re: P5 heads [Re: Scamp451] #436729
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Quote:

As I mingle amongst the small block community, I am constantly learning something new which also raises more questions. One question that pops into my head once in a while that I always forget to ask about in conversation is about the P5 heads.

I understand they succeeded the W8's for the PS trucks. After that did Mopar just kill that engine program altogether? Curious as to why. Looks like a pretty mean top end. I know if one car that has one on an 4 cyl. in NHRA, and I guess maybe some dirt/circle 4 cyl. motors still run them, but not exactly sure.

I see the P7's for sale quite frequently, but never the P5's on any drag cars, or for sale.




...This one was for sale here on Moparts & Race Junk in Feb 06 till it fell off the page with no responses. It was the 1st Gen P5 before the plug relocation (P5 HEMI).

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Re: P5 heads [Re: thehemikid] #436730
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What makes them a HEMI?? Am I looking at the combustion chamber correctly?

Re: P5 heads [Re: DaKuda] #436731
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The marketing department.


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Re: P5 heads [Re: DaKuda] #436732
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...They're closer to a polysphere, & similar to the Fueling.
...You can see the open area's where the next design (Hemi) spark plug's were relocated. This was an X-David Nickens P5 358ci.

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Re: P5 heads [Re: thehemikid] #436733
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The P5 heads shown were considered to be the "Wedge" heads, when the plugs went through the Rocker covers, they started with the Hemi marketing. At the end of the day they are just a Splayed valve wedge head, like the Hemi 99 heads.


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Re: P5 heads [Re: LA360] #436734
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The P5 heads shown were considered to be the "Wedge" heads, when the plugs went through the Rocker covers, they started with the Hemi marketing. At the end of the day they are just a Splayed valve wedge head, like the Hemi 99 heads.




Nothing HEMI about what I see except the word on the valve covers.

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