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Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 sensor! [Re: bonefish] #429830
08/07/09 07:32 PM
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I use a WB I put together in a kit from TECH Edge years ago when WB's were rare and expensive. I hook up a laptop to WB unit and data log the entire run down the quarter mile. I just strap the laptop to the passenger seat. I have the laptop set to start logging the run as soon as rpm hits 3500, which is the during the burnout. Pretty easy to jet the car at WOT, I set up the car a little fat for the weather and leave it. But the interesting data is while the car is on the throttle stop. Found out the car is pretty rich (11:1 AFR) while on the stop, which was causing the car to cut out some times in the morning during the first few runs. I figure if I get the car up to say 12.5:1 AFR while on the stop and also at WOT, then the car will be more consistent. Not there yet.

Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 sensor! [Re: sanger440] #429831
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Hey sanger440 ...how is that boat running ? .. I got a stevens.shovelnose383 project here.

I thought I remember seeing a post some time ago from a guy that sells MPFI that has a wide-band system that sells for around 200$.

Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 sensor! [Re: racerx] #429832
08/08/09 11:33 AM
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I quite like the look of this:
http://www.gtechpro.com/egs.html





Its $300 for the tach and another $230 for the wide band add on?


i was going to get one of those but i ended up getting the LM1


I also Like that setup and posted up that system awhile back with very little response.




same here. apparently, no one uses it and i didnt want to be the guinea pig

as for the LM2, the forum there has lots of unhappy people usingit. theres lots of bugs with it (or there was).. thats why i went with the LM1 (ebay) and im very happy with it

check out the attachment. its a jpg i made from the log file and added some data point

Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 senso [Re: PolyDart] #429833
08/08/09 11:38 AM
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i just looked at the INOVATIVE web site and they dont list the LM-1 in their product page,is it still available or is the lm -2 a replacemet?




LM-2 is the replacement. You needed a serial port for the LM 1 to work. The LM 2 connects via USB.




you can get a serial to USB cable from radio shack that can hook your lm1 to a usb port. im using one right now

Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 sensor! [Re: aarcuda] #429834
08/09/09 06:31 AM
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I quite like the look of this:
http://www.gtechpro.com/egs.html





Its $300 for the tach and another $230 for the wide band add on?


i was going to get one of those but i ended up getting the LM1


I also Like that setup and posted up that system awhile back with very little response.




same here. apparently, no one uses it and i didnt want to be the guinea pig




I'll be the guinea pig in a month or two


'74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials.
9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge.
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Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 sensor! [Re: Tig] #429835
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I quite like the look of this:
http://www.gtechpro.com/egs.html





Its $300 for the tach and another $230 for the wide band add on?


i was going to get one of those but i ended up getting the LM1


I also Like that setup and posted up that system awhile back with very little response.




same here. apparently, no one uses it and i didnt want to be the guinea pig




I'll be the guinea pig in a month or two


Tig Please post up results...Thax

Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 sensor! [Re: racerx] #429836
08/09/09 10:29 PM
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Do these sensors work if I run leaded race gas?


Dallas


Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 sensor! [Re: Mr71Bee] #429837
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Do these sensors work if I run leaded race gas?


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For about 5 minutes.


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Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 sensor! [Re: Mr71Bee] #429838
08/09/09 11:05 PM
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Do these sensors work if I run leaded race gas?


Dallas





From what I've read, lead trashes the sensor. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong on this point.

And thanks to everyone who has posted on this. I'm considering a system seriously, but haven't made any decisions on brand, single vs. dual sensors, etc.

Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 sensor! [Re: BradH] #429839
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Go single and save money and just put another bung on the other side to check that bank whenever.....


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Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 sensor! [Re: Mr71Bee] #429840
08/10/09 08:43 AM
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Do these sensors work if I run leaded race gas?


Dallas






Leaded gas shortens the life of the sensor. I've run my LM-1 with leaded gas for a while and bought a new bosch sensor and noticed no change in my readings. I guess it takes a while for leaded gas in a race car to affect it.


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Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 sensor! [Re: CJK440] #429841
08/10/09 10:12 AM
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I run my auto meter directly in my x pipe, might not be the perfect spot but it works.

Is as basic as most say...weld in the bung tilt it up a bit, if all is cold let the unit preheat until you fire it.

This is a simple vid, not worried about ide ect...just wot but with a six pack and spray its needed.

Im surprised for the minor cost 3-4 hundred more people dont have them...

Dont be afraid of the wide band units.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JjBce4Oyxo

WOT wideband test..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Za7lfxoDFc

Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 sensor! [Re: quick77rt ] #429842
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Oooohhhh... a single unit tapped right into my X-pipe sounds like a simple solution.

Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 sensor! [Re: aarcuda] #429843
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as for the LM2, the forum there has lots of unhappy people usingit. theres lots of bugs with it (or there was)..



Such as? Is this stuff that was supposed to have been fixed in their 7/09 upgrade, or other issues that are still out there?

Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 sensor! [Re: BradH] #429844
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I just ordered the Innovate DB gauge kit($229.00)Summit.
My car has tti headers on a small block with full 2 1/2" exhaust. Where is the best place to install the single sensor?

Good info on this thread

Jeff

Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 sensor! [Re: jinxy] #429845
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A single is the plan ferr me .. but how about a system that reads ....

... EACH cylinder ?

Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 sensor! [Re: jinxy] #429846
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Most the ones ive seen all have in the instructions where they would prefer to see them placed, then you got to sort it out.

I was runing one in each side but its overkill for me.

You could alway but a bung in each side and swap from time to time, if all is equal?????

My X pipe is very near my headers so all worked ok.

Im no expert, this is just how I did mine, and it works pretty good.



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I just ordered the Innovate DB gauge kit($229.00)Summit.
My car has tti headers on a small block with full 2 1/2" exhaust. Where is the best place to install the single sensor?

Good info on this thread

Jeff



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Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 sensor! [Re: quick77rt ] #429847
08/10/09 05:43 PM
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I have the LM-II, had a couple issues on install, there instructions for getting the firmware updats sucks and so do some of the other instructions they include but they talked me through the update on the phone. I still haven't taken full advantage but it sure helped me tune the idle

Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 sensor! [Re: BradH] #429848
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as for the LM2, the forum there has lots of unhappy people usingit. theres lots of bugs with it (or there was)..



Such as? Is this stuff that was supposed to have been fixed in their 7/09 upgrade, or other issues that are still out there?




cant say for sure. i looked on there back in april when i was looking looking to buy and i saw all the problems and went with the lm1. i had borrowed one from a friend and it worked so i went with a known unit vs an unknown with lots of bad press.

if they fixed the problems, that would be great. maybe an update is in the future.

Re: Tell me about installing & using wide-band O2 sensor! [Re: aarcuda] #429849
08/12/09 01:42 PM
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I've spoke to a few race guys who run the FAST and Innovate stand alone systems. They run leaded race fuel but change the sensor every season, a couple are blow thru turbo VW guys. The only real difference, I'm told, is the response of the sensor. The units calibrate themselves every time they are switched on as far as I'm aware. Another tip they told me was to mount the sensor at least 12 inches from an open header end as the turbulance can give false readings.
I'll post results as soon as, but I'll have to fab fancy header extensions as the ends are close to the 'box crossmember / mount. I'm also ordering an extra sensor mount and 2 bungs.
Thanx


'74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials.
9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge.
RHD '68 Barracuda Fastback 323ci street/strip. Best ET 13.88 @ 99.03
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