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Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: plasticfantastic] #380312
07/21/09 11:41 AM
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how did this racer get the opportunity to go up and mess around with the tracks tree by putting up a gloss black shield?




THis is a small non sanctioned track that is run what ya brung If it dosen't fall apart

SOunds like it was a sunny day & the racer & one employee just went up & attached it......

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: V10nacuda] #380313
07/21/09 06:29 PM
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how did this racer get the opportunity to go up and mess around with the tracks tree by putting up a gloss black shield?




THis is a small non sanctioned track that is run what ya brung If it dosen't fall apart

SOunds like it was a sunny day & the racer & one employee just went up & attached it......




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Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: Evil Spirit] #380314
07/21/09 08:52 PM
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i have seen a suspicious act at a track where this 1 person won alot. his wife would stand on the wall and point the camcorder directly at the tree. not at the car or tires as is normal. at the tree. is this some light sensor, leave on remote, or trying to stir the pot?


Using a cheap remote start box, a car could be wired to leave remotely from the starting line, stands, etc. Toss in an optical sensor, light trigger, or a similar piece and it's entirely possible to make a unit that when pointed at the tree, would see the top bulb and remotely activate the delay box. [/quot



There was a guy out of Texas openly selling optical sensors for reaction times..$900.


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Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: Clockwork] #380315
07/21/09 09:22 PM
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There was a guy out of Texas openly selling optical sensors for reaction times..$900.




Nothing wrong or illegal for selling them.... just if
you use it AND get caught (in our sport)

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: kissmyaspen] #380316
07/22/09 07:41 AM
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cough cough dirty dozen



Only thing those guys were doing wrong was winning just like the woman with the video recording her husband in the other post. If you win more than other then you must be cheating because it isn't fair.

There may be a fancy expensive way to cheat the tree but I highly doubt it. Anyone racing would be farther ahead learning how to cut a light and then be able to drive the top end. You can learn one or the other but I believe you have to be able to do both to be a consistent winner (and be called a cheater to boot).

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Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: 3404] #380317
07/22/09 10:42 AM
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trust me, there is a lot of cheating in box racing just not as you have described. Fiber optic cables laid into the paint with photocell, NHRA's brilliant decision to allow programmable digital ignitions, and many other ways I won't go into.

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: MegaDart] #380318
07/22/09 10:56 AM
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trust me, there is a lot of cheating in box racing just not as you have described. Fiber optic cables laid into the paint with photocell, NHRA's brilliant decision to allow programmable digital ignitions, and many other ways I won't go into.




Wayne, What about that Midget hididng in your scoop ?

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: MegaDart] #380319
07/22/09 07:22 PM
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trust me, there is a lot of cheating in box racing just not as you have described. Fiber optic cables laid into the paint with photocell, NHRA's brilliant decision to allow programmable digital ignitions, and many other ways I won't go into.




EXACTLY!! The possibilites with the programmable ignition are endless. how about some dead on technology haha! maybe some GPS...

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: ChrisJohnston669] #380320
07/22/09 07:47 PM
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The story of the video recorder is not a wives tale. This actually took place a Kanawha Valley and can be corroborated by Jeff Johnson (Fast Forward) dakota and a few others. Guys wife would point camera at tree and for first flash to trigger delay box. It was at one time that someone stepped in front of the camera and the guy was left sitting at the line that someone got wise to it. From what was stated to me the guy stopped racing after this incident, appearently he did not want to start a new list.

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: wheelsup68dart] #380321
07/22/09 08:28 PM
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The story of the video recorder is not a wives tale. This actually took place a Kanawha Valley and can be corroborated by Jeff Johnson (Fast Forward) dakota and a few others. Guys wife would point camera at tree and for first flash to trigger delay box. It was at one time that someone stepped in front of the camera and the guy was left sitting at the line that someone got wise to it. From what was stated to me the guy stopped racing after this incident, appearently he did not want to start a new list.




Can someone explain this a little bit more? How does a camera pointed at the top bulb activate the delay box? I'm not getting it.

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: Lil Demon] #380322
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Something about photo sensitivity and detecting the first amber coming on?

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: Lil Demon] #380323
07/22/09 09:59 PM
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The story of the video recorder is not a wives tale. This actually took place a Kanawha Valley and can be corroborated by Jeff Johnson (Fast Forward) dakota and a few others. Guys wife would point camera at tree and for first flash to trigger delay box. It was at one time that someone stepped in front of the camera and the guy was left sitting at the line that someone got wise to it. From what was stated to me the guy stopped racing after this incident, appearently he did not want to start a new list.




Can someone explain this a little bit more? How does a camera pointed at the top bulb activate the delay box? I'm not getting it.




Video recorder isn't a real recorder - it has been altered to house a light sensor and a transmitter to remotely trigger the cars delay box. When the light sensor is aimed at the top bulb, as soon as the bulb lights it sends a signal (the same way a remote car starter works) to a receiver, which triggers the cars delay box and launches car REMOTELY.


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Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: Evil Spirit] #380324
07/22/09 10:11 PM
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programmable digital ignitions




Yep I used to stand at the finish line at some big races and listen to some of the cars that have a slight sputter or a little pop before they cross the stripe....

Must be a alot of bad wires out there lol....

Down track stuttering is old school now with the new ignitions you cant even tell whats going on.....


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Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: moparacer] #380325
07/22/09 11:11 PM
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You guys must die of fright whenever you see a car with a RacePak in it. You'd be amazed what you can do with one of those.


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Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: slantzilla] #380326
07/22/09 11:22 PM
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I worked in machine maintenance in the corrugated industry years ago, when equipment was making the change from relays to driver boards, PC controls, etc. We used the small programmable control boxes to trigger/time 2/3steps and NOS systems etc. several years before Jacobs and the other controls became popular. It's one of the reasons that I don't personally care for the electronics in cars; I KNOW what can be done with them.


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Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: wheelsup68dart] #380327
07/23/09 07:48 AM
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The story of the video recorder is not a wives tale. This actually took place a Kanawha Valley and can be corroborated by Jeff Johnson (Fast Forward) dakota and a few others. Guys wife would point camera at tree and for first flash to trigger delay box. It was at one time that someone stepped in front of the camera and the guy was left sitting at the line that someone got wise to it. From what was stated to me the guy stopped racing after this incident, appearently he did not want to start a new list.




I have also seen this deal in action at the division three et finals somewhere in the mid to late 90,s.Rich Matty(in the fine 409) was winning a lot of big races . And i guess a few knew what he was doing, he staged for first round and 4 or 5 guys grabbed the dude with the camera and his car just sit there on the two step as the other car easily took the win. It was one of the funniest things i ever saw at the track.


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Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: wheelsup68dart] #380328
07/23/09 09:40 PM
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It would have to be away from the infrared, as it can tell when it's being looked at. This tidbit came from a track owner and 40 year stock/ss racer. If you see the blue deep light come on with out seeing him going deep, that racer will probably be getting a visit from NHRA. At least that was pre led era, could have changed by now.

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