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Re: Brake Bleeding Myth or Not.
[Re: mymcodebee]
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07/07/09 01:25 PM
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I dunno...overnight?
I've never done it myself, but had good luck with the "one man bleeder kits" you crack open the screw, attach a rubber hose to it, going to a small bottle with a magnet, and mount it up higher than the bleeder screw. go up and pump the brakes a few times, keeping the master full. As the air pumps out, it "floats" to the top, and into the bottle, eventually you'll have good solid fluid in the rubber hose, and you can go ahead and close the bleeder and move to the next wheel.
don't forget to start with the master cylinder first! crack open the lines and slowly and steadilly pump the pedal. I never believed that it needed to be done myself, I always figured "what difference does it make if the brake lines are loose at the master or not? pump the pedal, it should push the air out and into the lines, and ultimatly, out of the bleeder screw at the wheels" but after pumping and pumping and pumping, I never got a full pedal. cracked the lines at the master and got out a lot of air, and then the pedal was rock hard! go figure!
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Re: Brake Bleeding Myth or Not.
[Re: mymcodebee]
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07/07/09 01:39 PM
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What kind of a time frame are we talking to let it drip.
it takes a whiiiiiiiiiiiiile..ask me how I know. I got bored of waiting so I went and got a brake bleeding kit from Autozone.
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Re: Brake Bleeding Myth or Not.
[Re: mymcodebee]
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07/07/09 01:42 PM
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I am glad you broght up the master. I fogot to ask this. I bench bled the master (new one) last night. I use a screwdriver and press on the piston until the air bubble were not longer coming out. It appear that only the rear brake resevior was functioning properly. Front brake resevior did not really do anything. Just a few tiny bubbles. Maybe my master has a pile of air still in it??
sounds like you didn't push the screwdriver far enough.
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Re: Brake Bleeding Myth or Not.
[Re: mymcodebee]
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07/07/09 01:49 PM
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Just my  ,  with Stumpy. Do 1 wheel at a time. Furthest from the MC first then work your way back via the other wheels. 1st = right rear 2nd = left rear 3rd = right front 4th = left front. You get the idea....besides that all the wheels there are  Frank 
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Re: Brake Bleeding Myth or Not.
[Re: mymcodebee]
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07/07/09 02:41 PM
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Ok, that gives me a ballpark to work with.
Thank you,
If I use this method will the master bleed out as well?
Gravity bleeding will not work on the master.
When I've done new brake systems in the past I don't recall it taking 1/2 hour per wheel but I could be wrong. I thought it took about 15 min a wheel on the stock car.
There is usually something else for me to do in the garage so the time goes fast. There is always something to check/fix/adjust if you drive the car.
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Re: Brake Bleeding Myth or Not.
[Re: GTXKen]
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07/07/09 02:59 PM
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bench bleed the M/C(on the car) w a block of wood the right thickness under the pedal so you dont push the piston past it's normal wear area w will(over the long term) hasten it's demise and M/C's aren't known for longevity anyhow. then I'd hookup one side at a time & bleed it out w a Mityvac or a check valve hose or an old fashioned helper. Gravity bleeding does work(as said)& bench bleed the M/C first & pump it to start the fluid flowing. Might need to gravity bleed then one of the other methods in addition to that.
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Re: Brake Bleeding Myth or Not.
[Re: GTXKen]
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07/07/09 03:11 PM
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The best - fastest, easiest, way I have found to do 1 man bleeding is with a "Mighty-Vac". If you by the Mighty Vac Kit, it will come with everything you need to Vacuum bleed your brakes - resevoir, hoses, and the little nipple that snaps on to the bleeder screw. Doing them one at a time ( and it doesn't make any difference where you start ) you can do the entire system in 1/2 hour. No drips, no runs, no air in your lines - and when your done you have a great shop tool for many other purposes.
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Re: Brake Bleeding Myth or Not.
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07/07/09 04:26 PM
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Ive seen some empty the master in 15 minutes.It depends on the system.I crack the rears then close after they bleed for a bit then do the fronts the same.Then I pump the pedal a few times easy and repeat.Ive done hundreds at work that way when no help was avaliable.Rocky
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Re: Brake Bleeding Myth or Not.
[Re: Crizila]
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07/07/09 08:17 PM
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Sorry if this comes across as a bit strong, but what is up with all the left field questions lately? I ask because this exact question just came up on another site.  The best way is bench bleed the master cylinder, install, then bleed the system one wheel at a time, starting at the furthest point. You can do this by gravity, vacuum, or 2 person. Follow the procedure in the manual and tell your friends to do the same with all these wacky ideas! BTW, bleeding is the last step before the road test when doing a full brake system service. It is not all that should be done on a brake system.
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Re: Brake Bleeding Myth or Not.
[Re: RodStRace]
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07/07/09 10:15 PM
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Sorry if this comes across as a bit strong, but what is up with all the left field questions lately? I ask because this exact question just came up on another site.
The best way is bench bleed the master cylinder, install, then bleed the system one wheel at a time, starting at the furthest point. You can do this by gravity, vacuum, or 2 person. Follow the procedure in the manual and tell your friends to do the same with all these wacky ideas!
BTW, bleeding is the last step before the road test when doing a full brake system service. It is not all that should be done on a brake system.
whats a left field question?
but ya, i agree with your method
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Re: Brake Bleeding Myth or Not.
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07/08/09 08:18 AM
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Appreciate the offer.  We will probably need the luck. Motor was just installed two nights ago.  Thanks again.
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Re: Brake Bleeding Myth or Not.
[Re: mymcodebee]
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07/08/09 09:37 AM
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Reid, I know what you mean about the knowledge base here; it's amazing! I understand about wanting to try anything else after the normal methods don't get the results you want. I'd suggest carefully pinching off each hose (LF, RF, rear) and trying again. I bet the pedal gets nice and hard. Often, the adjustment isn't as good as it could be since no one arcs shoes anymore. The hoses can get a bit spongy after time too. Another method I've seen to get that last bit of air out is to tap lightly on calipers to get all the air bubbles clinging to the sides to break loose and rise to the top, then gently bleed them out. Good Luck!
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if the drums are not adjusted, you'll have a very soft pedal until you push them out far enough to make contact with the drum, and then the pedal will firm up.
