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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread.
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05/26/07 09:33 PM
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Ok here's a crazy idea. Has anyone ever tried putting clear polyurethane, like you put on furniture, on a car? I redid a table and it smooths out perfece and is high gloss.
Something like this: (says for metal) http://www.minwax.com/products/protective/lacquer.cfm
or this, which is what I used on a table:
http://www.minwax.com/products/protective/polycrylic.cfm
I wonder......
I've read this entire thread and no I don't think anyone has. but thats what this is all about, experimenting. Why not try it on a test piece and let us all know how it turns out.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread.
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05/27/07 12:08 AM
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How much paint would you need, to do a average car ??? And what is the difference between Satin Black and what "They" refer to as "Hot Rod Black"  ???
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread.
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05/27/07 10:46 AM
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I did mine with 2 Quarts, but I already had a black base. You have to wait 12-24 hrs between coats anyways, so I'd say just go to Home depot, get 2 quarts. You should be able to get at least 2 coats out of quart if there thin enough.
If you're refering to the Hot Hues brand of Hot Rod black, it looks like it's just alot higher end satin black. 2 Part, so it's probably more durrable than rustoleum (and noxious to work with) However, at 7$ a quart for rustoleum, if it gets messed up, just slap another coat down and move on.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread.
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05/27/07 12:41 PM
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Ok here's a crazy idea. Has anyone ever tried putting clear polyurethane, like you put on furniture, on a car? I redid a table and it smooths out perfece and is high gloss.
Something like this: (says for metal) http://www.minwax.com/products/protective/lacquer.cfm
or this, which is what I used on a table:
http://www.minwax.com/products/protective/polycrylic.cfm
I wonder......
I've read this entire thread and no I don't think anyone has. but thats what this is all about, experimenting. Why not try it on a test piece and let us all know how it turns out.
The Minwax stuff is clearly labelled "interior".
For a "clear coat", here is a thought. SEM Products sells an enamel based "clear" in rattle cans ( $3.98 each at a local supplier) That looks like about $150.00 in cans. I have never checked to see if they sell it in quarts or gallons. That may, or may not, be susceptible to the "roller technology".
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread.
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05/27/07 01:27 PM
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i sprayed my 71 mustang with rustoleum primer with hvlp gun. got a lot of runs not sure if the presure on gun was to high or my mix primer+ mineral spirits was wrong.( i painted my dodge dart and few other cars before and never got so many runs)
now i need to sand it down and get ready to spray top coat( sunburts yellow)
so my q. is. what ratio should i use paint/mineral spirits, and what best presure on gun?
thx lukas
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread.
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05/27/07 05:31 PM
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Hi guys, Today I told myself I am gonna do this. So I went down to Canadian Tire and purchased for now 2 different sandpaper grits, they are 150 grit, and 320 grit. I think charger and others recommended that people should not sand over 400 grit. They didn't have 400 grit in stock so I ended up getting 320 grit. 320 will be my last sanding before rolling the car with Brightside Black (still have to search for it). After I will purchase 600 or 800 grit to wetsand between 2 coats, etc...and maybe 1500 after for final coats...I am not sure yet. I still have to sand all bodywork more, and then fill some dents with bondo, primer the bondo, and I should be ready to roll Brightside with mineral spirits... It'll take a few days to finish sanding and bondo, but any pointers for the sanding stage? - Michael  BTW: I sanded for 4 hours...my whole body hurts...lol 
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread.
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05/27/07 05:42 PM
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i sprayed my 71 mustang with rustoleum primer with hvlp gun. got a lot of runs not sure if the presure on gun was to high or my mix primer+ mineral spirits was wrong.( i painted my dodge dart and few other cars before and never got so many runs)
now i need to sand it down and get ready to spray top coat( sunburts yellow)
so my q. is. what ratio should i use paint/mineral spirits, and what best presure on gun?
thx lukas
I am wondering the same. I 've been experimenting with a old piece of hood and 4 coats later it still looks like crap. I am starting to think about spraying my car, If I Knew the Mix Ratio. This rolling seems like a lot of Work and I am Not getting the results that everyone is getting. I think I have a problem with the mix ratio. It would be Nice if there was a set ratio, instead of "Should look like 1% milk". Personally I Can't tell the difference between Skim Milk and 2% or Whole Milk for that matter. 
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread.
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05/27/07 11:25 PM
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I am wondering the same. I 've been experimenting with a old piece of hood and 4 coats later it still looks like crap. I am starting to think about spraying my car, If I Knew the Mix Ratio. This rolling seems like a lot of Work and I am Not getting the results that everyone is getting. I think I have a problem with the mix ratio. It would be Nice if there was a set ratio, instead of "Should look like 1% milk". Personally I Can't tell the difference between Skim Milk and 2% or Whole Milk for that matter.
I think we would all love a standard recipe for successful mixing. But I believe the reason why we are deliberately vague is the the ratios are different even between colors by the same paint manufacturers.
The ratio for a black paint is not necessarily going to be the same ratio as the white or red etc.
And during the course of this thread... we have discussed primarily three brands of paint, Tremclad, Rustoleum and Brightside. Each of them being subtly different.
And even within the Tremclad and Rustoleu, there were normal versions, pro versions, farm versions etc. Again giving each a subtle difference from each other.
And so instead of trying to say that you need 30 mil of thinner to 70 mil of paint... we have to instead try to describe the wetness or consistency of the paint instead.
Another factor that enters into this 'wetness' or consistency is the mineral spirits themself. We already know that there is an evaporation time difference between regular mineral spirits and the low vapor mineral spirits. But to be honest with you... I suspect there are subtle differences between the different brands of mineral spirits. Logic says that a mineral spirit is a mineral spirit... is a mineral spirit.
But if we look at something like vodka or gin.. we can see that there are subtle differences between all the various brands of vodka or gin. So if the same applies to mineral spirits, this could explain some of the subtle differences in consistencies of the paints when mixing paint to mineral spirit ratios.
As an aside topic and something totally thinking outside the box.... I wonder how these paints would react if they were thinned with pure alchohol ? I know at the liquor store you can buy pure alcohol. Now wouldn't that be a real talking point if you rolled your paint job and it was cut with 30% alcohol from the liquor store.
Ok... so back to the topic at hand. The other factors that get into this ratio mixing question are the local temperatures that you are working in... ( more thinner for hot temps and less thinner in cooler temperatures )....
So this is why it has often been stressed throughout the discussion thread how it is really useful to do some experimenting and testing before laying any paint on your treasured ride.
Another way to look at this ratio/mixing thing is that it is almost like every paint job is truly a 'custom' paint job. In that the right ratio of paint to thinner for your car and color may be quite different from your neighbor down the street who is trying to do a different color on his ride.
So the practice work you do prior to applying the paint on the car will not only help you get your paint applying technique worked out... but as well it will help you determine the best paint to thinner mix that will work with the technique you subsequently yields the best result.
Dunno... but I hope that explains why the technique has not been able to reach the stage where exact measured amounts can be given with any expectation of consistent and repeatable results for everyone.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread.
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05/28/07 07:58 AM
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We discussed this 'Top Secret' brand of paint in previous threads and I am wondering if anyone ever got around to experimenting with it ?
They offer 102 different colors and its specs seem to indicate that it should produce results similar to the Brightside polyurathane.
http://www.topsecretcoatings.com/ts-4_urethane_reinforced_alkyd_gloss_4849821.htm
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They also sell a roll/brush on clear.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread.
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05/28/07 10:10 AM
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Well, I am thinking I must be thinning the paint too much {Tremclad Satin Black} Anyone Know what the difference is between Paint Thinner and Mineral Spirits I am Thinking it is Just the Evaporation Rate 
My can of paint thinner says "100% mineral spirits".
Way earlier on the original thread there was a conversation about what to thin the paint with. It was determined that (for Tremclad/Rustoleum) that using something other than actual mineral spirits was not good.
It wasn't just the evaporation rate, it was something about thinning using a product that was "chemically compatible" with the paint.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread.
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05/28/07 10:20 AM
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[quote} I am wondering the same. I 've been experimenting with a old piece of hood and 4 coats later it still looks like crap. I am starting to think about spraying my car, If I Knew the Mix Ratio. This rolling seems like a lot of Work and I am Not getting the results that everyone is getting. I think I have a problem with the mix ratio. It would be Nice if there was a set ratio, instead of "Should look like 1% milk". Personally I Can't tell the difference between Skim Milk and 2% or Whole Milk for that matter.
If it helps, I'm using Rustoleum Professional gloss black. I started with about a 40% mix but it was too thin, I switched to a 20% mix for the last two coats and while it sanded smooth and looks great, I think when I do the car I'm gonna go with a 25% mix - or 3/4 cup paint to 1/4 cup spirits. I have some plastic peices that go under my taillights that I am going to start rolling today at the 25% mix. I'll update you on my progress.
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread.
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05/28/07 10:57 AM
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SOMEONE IN THE KNOW PLEASE TEST YOUR PERFECT MIX WITH A VISCOSITY CUP!! Why are we all banging our heads on the mix issue? I've seen 50/50 down to 10%. C'mon, someone be a hero and help us out! This method would take into account everyone's local temps. http://www.amazon.com/Wagner-0153165-VISCOSITY-CUP/dp/B00069P9KG
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread.
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05/28/07 12:26 PM
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SOMEONE IN THE KNOW PLEASE TEST YOUR PERFECT MIX WITH A VISCOSITY CUP!! Why are we all banging our heads on the mix issue? I've seen 50/50 down to 10%. C'mon, someone be a hero and help us out! This method would take into account everyone's local temps.
http://www.amazon.com/Wagner-0153165-VISCOSITY-CUP/dp/B00069P9KG
exactly, why is everyone banging their heads? its not that serious, just experiment a lil and u will find what works for you. there is not going to be any PERFECT percent mix that works for everyone, with every paint, in every climate. 
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread.
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05/28/07 01:07 PM
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here is my 71 mach 1 after primer
rustoleum white primer 1 coat. sprayed with hvlp gun
today top coat ... sunburst yellow
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread.
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05/28/07 01:52 PM
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SOMEONE IN THE KNOW PLEASE TEST YOUR PERFECT MIX WITH A VISCOSITY CUP!! Why are we all banging our heads on the mix issue? I've seen 50/50 down to 10%. C'mon, someone be a hero and help us out! This method would take into account everyone's local temps.
http://www.amazon.com/Wagner-0153165-VISCOSITY-CUP/dp/B00069P9KG
exactly, why is everyone banging their heads? its not that serious, just experiment a lil and u will find what works for you. there is not going to be any PERFECT percent mix that works for everyone, with every paint, in every climate.
i've allways said it is highly dependant on temperature and most importantly humidity. When i do the first few coats, if it's a new can of paint, i usually just use the straight paint (no mineral spirits), as i approach the final 4 coats, i typically add about 10%, and near the final coat i'm at about 15%, 20% MAX (regardless of climate). But i can say that there is no set mix, i've never exceeded 20%, and the conditions change as the can is used, so as the can gets older, and has been used i find you have to thin it more and more. But, it's more of a "feel" thing, i know when i'm mixing the paint in my tray, what consistancy i need, you either "got it" or you don't!!!!! I could just lie and say use 10% if that makes you all happy!!! 
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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread.
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05/28/07 01:57 PM
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exactly^^^^ thats another thing i also noticed, that the paint gets thicker the longer and more times the cans been open. and ive also had the paint thicken up during the course of a coat. by the time ur gettin near the end of a coat and the end of the paint in the tray, its gonna be thicker than when u first thinned it, so u have to really just go by feel
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