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dyno numbers vp 109 vs E-85
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The engine:
400 block hardblock and alu mains
4.15 crank
4.375 bore
flat topp ross pistons att the deck
ported B1-BS flow 350@ .700 milled to 67cc chamber
1009 feel pro
13.7-1 comp ratio
Scott Brown roller cam .728/.720 274/285@050 112LSA instaled @ 109 int cent
Isky endurance lifter
Indy 400-3 4500 intake ported to head.
2"-3.5" open headers.
Vr-1 10-60 oil.
Garry Williams E-85 1050 carb.E-85 from pump.
Holley 9375 fuel carb. VP-109
What do you think it made on a Go Power engine dyno?
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Dodge Custom Royal Lancer-55
Dodge Dakota 4.7 -05
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Re: dyno numbers vp 109 vs E-85
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06/23/09 08:09 PM
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The AFR was att 12.2-1 with the e-85 and the VP fuel.
It made some nice nr's.
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Re: dyno numbers vp 109 vs E-85
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06/23/09 11:07 PM
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Sound like some excellent number.  I have a similar combo with less lift and duration. My cam is 269int and 273ex lit is at 696. my engine only made 761hp at 6200 wiht indy heads flowing 358 at 700. Tq 695. My car ran great its a 69RR weight is 2888 readky to race and it went 9.28 at 3700 corrected altitude. Keep us posted how your car runs so we can see how your dyno # match to track resutls. 
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Re: dyno numbers vp 109 vs E-85
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06/23/09 11:51 PM
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I will post you some ET numbers when i get some.
The heads earlier made 820Hp on one other engine and dyno. That motor had an smaler cam and less comp.
The thing that konfused me was the bigg diff in power betwen e-85 and VP fuel. 60Hp and over 30 Ft/lbs is a lott djust swithing carb!
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Re: dyno numbers vp 109 vs E-85
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06/24/09 12:21 AM
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if that e85 carb is a 4150 carb, throw that test out the window
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Re: dyno numbers vp 109 vs E-85
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06/24/09 06:12 AM
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Get your A/F ratio corrected for E-85 and you'll see it kick azz.
Stoich is 9.765-1, maxpower rich is 6.975-1. So I's say you're wayyyyyyy lean. That's another nice feature of E-85, it's alot more forgiving than straight gasoline. Try going that much lean on gas once and you'll have an expensive paperweight.Dave
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Re: dyno numbers vp 109 vs E-85
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06/24/09 06:58 AM
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Quote:
I will post you some ET numbers when i get some.
The heads earlier made 820Hp on one other engine and dyno. That motor had an smaler cam and less comp.
The thing that konfused me was the bigg diff in power betwen e-85 and VP fuel. 60Hp and over 30 Ft/lbs is a lott djust swithing carb!
Hi Kasper !
Actualy the B1BS heads only made 811hp on my 540.
Nice to see they worked out so good for you 
I guess you didnīt run this last weekend.
As I read( on klotterplanket), most of saturday rain out, and some rain on sunday to.
Tom
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Re: dyno numbers vp 109 vs E-85
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The e-85 carb is a brand new 4500 from Garry Williams. The dyno has a wide band lamda. We tested up and down with bouth timing and afr. I was disappointed when it gave more of gasoline and the guy who owns dynon laughed because he had said that vp-109 petrol was better before we tested. So i dont know what went wrong 
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Re: dyno numbers vp 109 vs E-85
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06/24/09 07:17 AM
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Hi Kasper ! Actualy the B1BS heads only made 811hp on my 540. Nice to see they worked out so good for you I guess you didnīt run this last weekend. As I read( on klotterplanket), most of saturday rain out, and some rain on sunday to. Tom
Hi Tom!
No, I drove nothing. the car was completed late Friday night and the weather was too bad for the trail all the way to Orsa.
Excuse for the wrong data about your power. Blame my bad memory.
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Re: dyno numbers vp 109 vs E-85
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06/24/09 07:22 AM
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The e-85 carb is a brand new 4500 from Garry Williams.
The dyno has a wide band lamda.
We tested up and down with bouth timing and afr.
I was disappointed when it gave more of gasoline and the guy who owns dynon laughed because he had said that vp-109 petrol was better before we tested.
So i dont know what went wrong
something is wrong somewhere. I've yet to switch one without picking up. We use a gas A/F meter and tune very close to gas ratios. It is more forgiving than gas, but I just go to max power and that's where the A/F stays. we have a 615 single 4 on the dyno right now that has 60+HP spread from one carb to the other on the same fuel, so that's no surprise. Patrick from prosystems carbs. The one that makes more is only .070 larger bore, it's 40 more average and over 60 more peak. I know Gw can make a gas carb work, but maybe somethings off with E85. there's more 02, volume,and cooling with E85, so don't give up yet. Get the right carb on it and it will pick up.
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Re: dyno numbers vp 109 vs E-85
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06/24/09 08:49 AM
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i think i would have tried jetting the box stock holley up for E85.
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Re: dyno numbers vp 109 vs E-85
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06/24/09 09:30 AM
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something is wrong somewhere. I've yet to switch one without picking up. We use a gas A/F meter and tune very close to gas ratios. It is more forgiving than gas, but I just go to max power and that's where the A/F stays. we have a 615 single 4 on the dyno right now that has 60+HP spread from one carb to the other on the same fuel, so that's no surprise. Patrick from prosystems carbs. The one that makes more is only .070 larger bore, it's 40 more average and over 60 more peak. I know Gw can make a gas carb work, but maybe somethings off with E85. there's more 02, volume,and cooling with E85, so don't give up yet. Get the right carb on it and it will pick up.
 I didnt dyno test my change but on track
the switch to E-85 the car ran IDENTICAL but I didnt
make a single change other than the carb and fuel,
I still havent tweeked in jetting or timing.... so
it wasnt less power thats for sure.... JMO
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Re: dyno numbers vp 109 vs E-85
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06/24/09 12:23 PM
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The e-85 carb is a brand new 4500 from Garry Williams.
The dyno has a wide band lamda.
We tested up and down with bouth timing and afr.
I was disappointed when it gave more of gasoline and the guy who owns dynon laughed because he had said that vp-109 petrol was better before we tested.
So i dont know what went wrong
Did you test the E85 for actual content? I tested a couple stations this week and am still finding E70-E73. 
People are buying less because gas prices aren't that much different from E85. Don
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