upgrading rocker arms / shafts on Indy 440-1 heads
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We are looking at upgrading the rockers on the 572. is it worth the effort to go with the Jesel rockers and machine the heads? any other rocker upgrades worth the effort? we are currently running Harlin Sharpe 1.5 would like to go 1.6 The rocker arm shafts and bolts are bent now as well. anything else to consider when selecting rocker arms? Thanks for any advice.
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Re: upgrading rocker arms / shafts on Indy 440-1 heads
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I need to upgrade my 440-1 indy rockers and heard Harland Sharps were bolt on and maybe use my old pushrods. Couldn't you get some new shafts etc and use your HS rockers.saving some money?
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Re: upgrading rocker arms / shafts on Indy 440-1 heads
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Jesel or T & D. I read your other post and with the money you saved on the block, a top notch valvetrain would be money well spent.
My 440-1 heads use Jesels, one pair of rockers per cylinder. You eliminate that long shaft and the rockers themselves are very strong, I have not hurt one yet. A close friend of mine had the same results with his T & D rockers.
Nothing against Harland Sharpe, they have their place, but are not on the same level. You will also be needing new pushrods and should be considering how you want them to be oiled. I use the spray bar valve covers, but a lot of guys prefer pushrod oiling.
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Re: upgrading rocker arms / shafts on Indy 440-1 heads
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Jesel or T & D. I read your other post and with the money you saved on the block, a top notch valvetrain would be money well spent.
My 440-1 heads use Jesels, one pair of rockers per cylinder. You eliminate that long shaft and the rockers themselves are very strong, I have not hurt one yet. A close friend of mine had the same results with his T & D rockers.
Nothing against Harland Sharpe, they have their place, but are not on the same level. You will also be needing new pushrods and should be considering how you want them to be oiled. I use the spray bar valve covers, but a lot of guys prefer pushrod oiling.
Oh yes oiling that does have to be addressed since the hollow shaft will be gone. push rod oiling? does that require different roller cam and cam rollers along with push rods? IT must. Valve cover spray sounds like it may be less cost but is this as effective? Bob @ Bartons say they have a rocker system similar to Jesels but he seemed a bit mysterious about the whole deal? he wouldn't give me a price or and any particulars..
Since with the Jesel or other serious upgrades the heads will need to be machined. Only have once chance to do this kind of thing.
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Re: upgrading rocker arms / shafts on Indy 440-1 heads
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After running the Jesel rocker system, I would go with T&D on that setup. The Jesel system is fine, but the extra machining, and the headache of oil lines etc. The T&D gets my pick. Only advantage of running Jesel that i can see is the extra room for running large OD springs. Although I have heard a few people running 1.625 springs with the T&D setup.
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Re: upgrading rocker arms / shafts on Indy 440-1 heads
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Re: upgrading rocker arms / shafts on Indy 440-1 heads
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Thanks again Andy! Do you do work for other racers? I sent T&D and e-mail asking about their rockers in a 1.6 ratio and what if anything else may need to be done for them to fit the 440-1 heads. I found some nice images on the site, They look like a very good product that are shaft mounted so if they are bolt on they would be a good choice. With the Harlin Sharpe rockers and 440-1 heads I had to grind material from the old 500 block for the push rods to clear the block due to the angle of the push rods. Would a set of rockers made with different off set give me more clearance so I would not have to grind my new block? or not have to grind as much material.I need to ask them if my push rods I'm using with the Harlin Sharpe rockers will work? Thanks again for all of the great advice. You all have saved me hours if not days of research, pain and agony with your experience.
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Re: upgrading rocker arms / shafts on Indy 440-1 heads
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Thanks again Andy! Thanks again for all of the great advice. You all have saved me hours if not days of research, pain and agony with your experience.
No problem. If you found those posts helpful then maybe you'll want to buy the book. The book has 400+ pictures that cover the same basic topics.
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Re: upgrading rocker arms / shafts on Indy 440-1 heads
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I sent T&D and e-mail asking about their rockers in a 1.6 ratio and what if anything else may need to be done for them to fit the 440-1 heads. I found some nice images on the site, They look like a very good product that are shaft mounted so if they are bolt on they would be a good choice.
the T&Ds are very nice. i bolted some 1.6s to the 440-1s without any mods or clearance grinding. had to get new pushrods, T&Ds use the ball/ball type
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Re: upgrading rocker arms / shafts on Indy 440-1 heads
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Thanks again Andy! Thanks again for all of the great advice. You all have saved me hours if not days of research, pain and agony with your experience.
No problem. If you found those posts helpful then maybe you'll want to buy the book. The book has 400+ pictures that cover the same basic topics.
Oh yes Don't have that one! I have hundreds of books one more can never hurt. I'll go in search of it. Amazon?
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Re: upgrading rocker arms / shafts on Indy 440-1 heads
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I sent T&D and e-mail asking about their rockers in a 1.6 ratio and what if anything else may need to be done for them to fit the 440-1 heads. I found some nice images on the site, They look like a very good product that are shaft mounted so if they are bolt on they would be a good choice.
the T&Ds are very nice. i bolted some 1.6s to the 440-1s without any mods or clearance grinding. had to get new pushrods, T&Ds use the ball/ball type
That's real good news I didn't want to take the grinder to a brand spankin' new engine block.
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Re: upgrading rocker arms / shafts on Indy 440-1 heads
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I sent T&D and e-mail asking about their rockers in a 1.6 ratio and what if anything else may need to be done for them to fit the 440-1 heads. I found some nice images on the site, They look like a very good product that are shaft mounted so if they are bolt on they would be a good choice.
the T&Ds are very nice. i bolted some 1.6s to the 440-1s without any mods or clearance grinding. had to get new pushrods, T&Ds use the ball/ball type
That's real good news I didn't want to take the grinder to a brand spankin' new engine block.
ooops...sorry, i forgot to mention that the heads are bolted on a Mega block
no grinding needed on the block, but some pushrods are pretty close
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Re: upgrading rocker arms / shafts on Indy 440-1 heads
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Ordered the T&D rockers in 1.6 ratio Directly from T&D, cost will be a little over 1K after shipping and they are about a week backed up in the shop. I'll have Smith Bros build some push rods once we get things setup and measured. Thanks for all the advice
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