any good way to trouble shoot? UPDATE
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on my big block dakota, from a stop, I have to pump the pedal a few times before actually letting the clutch out and loading up the engine. this kinda gets the rpms up slowly, and allows the pump to squirt more fuel.
if I'm parked, in neutral and I go from idle to WOT without pumping...it'll hesitate, cough, and die.
so I'm 99% sure I need more fuel from the squirters.
carb is a holly 750 HP (double pumper, mechanical secondaries, and no choke)
438 stroker, 10.5 compression, eddy heads, RPM intake, bla bla bla
the accelerator pumps are still stock settings.
is there any good way to go about trouble shooting the proper method to getting them set correctly, or is there no way to do it other than to adjust it and test it?
how do I know if I need: A) larger quirter nozzles for more fuel faster, B) a different cam to deliver a longer shot, or C) larger pump? do I start changing the cams? the cam position? do I jump straight to the 50cc pump?
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First, make sure the squirter adjusting spring is just touching the arm and moves the instant your throttle moves. There should be no gap between the spring and arm. Then look at the squirter to see if it's actually squirting fuel. If this is all good, remove the nozzle and start drilling the holes bigger a little at a time, reinstall and drive. Repeat if necessary. There will be those chiming in saying not to drill the nozzles out but I've done this for over 30 years and it always works.
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so start out with bigger nozzles? I already know the pump starts to deliver as soon as the throttle moves it seems to take maybe a half second or so for the entire pump shot to be delivered--which is really a long time I would think...I can count "one-one thou..." during the pump shot
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Re: any good way to trouble shoot?
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plug wires are brand new firecores, and are much better than what I had before...no arcing.
street driving, just off idle, before I even get to let the clutch out...I have to pump the pedal to get the rpms up so I CAN let the clutch out
and, how would fuel be draining back while the fuel pump is running?
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plug wires are brand new firecores, and are much better than what I had before...no arcing.
street driving, just off idle, before I even get to let the clutch out...I have to pump the pedal to get the rpms up so I CAN let the clutch out
and, how would fuel be draining back while the fuel pump is running?
Can you just hit the throttle to WOT and have the engine rev right up(just free revs)
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nope. I thought I said earlier that if I did that, it stalls out. I meant to anyway!
if I'm slow with it, then it will rev, but if I snap it open from idle, it dies.
it's pretty much done this since day one, and I've just driven around it since it's a stick...but I'm getting tired of "driving around it"
also, its only off idle. if I take it up to 10-15 mph, lift off the throttle, then smash it down, it takes off just fine
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one thing I have not tried is a "race launch" where I bring the RPMs up and then drop the clutch, mostly because I know that would result in lots of tire smoke.
however...if I tried that. I'd still have the problem..when the truck is not moving, and at idle, I'd have to give the throttle a few pumps before actually trying to bring the RPMS up.
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hmm...wow...so simple, kinda makes ya feel like an idiot!
I checked the cams, and they were NOT delivering fuel until the throttles had opened up a little.
I moved the cams and now fuel is flowing as soon as the throttle moves.
started it up and let it get warm, and I can tell that it's probably 75% fixed. I can get on the gas a lot faster now without any hesitation, however, if I mash it, it's on the verge of dying...if I let it idle and clear all the fuel out of the intake, and mash it open, it still dies. if I bring the revs up gradually, let it come down to idle and mash it open, it revs fine (residual fuel still in the intake?)
anyway, maybe a larger squirter nozzel so the pump shot doesn't last so long, and delivers more fuel right away?
or a different cam that offers more pump stroke?
I'm leaning towards larger nozzels becuse it dies if it's snapped open, but if opened slowly, it does fine.
current nozzle is labeled as a 31...do I go larger number or smaller number? (is a 25 larger or smaller diameter than a 31?)
my smallest drillbit is a 1/16" and I'm NOT drilling this thing out to a 1/16 inch hole!
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