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Re: 1970 charger 383 4bbl..what engine color?
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I forget what we are arguing about here  some of it is getting ridiculous, is it winter already? 1970 E63 - "N" code 383s are NOT all "MAGNUMS" on each and every Dodge model
1970 Dodge MAGNUM engines (335HP) had HOLLEY carbs & were painted ORANGE
the way things were done in 1969 has little to do with 1970
edit does not equal DELETE & options that are extra cost can NOT be DELETEDhosting/posting Chrysler paperwork for all to see  thanks Barry ----- nowhere on there does it say a 383 4bbl HP engine should be blue??  ----- it does say that 440 (Magnum) engines were blue in what? ----- we all have seen factory paperwork with errors/incorrect info on line registries are great & full of helpful info, but ----- copying Chrysler paperwork including the errors serves what purpose  ----- referring every '70 Charger question on MOPARTS to "ask" the experts somewhere else is a little comical ----- most of the members are registered here and how many forums are you guys registered on & keep track of? 
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Re: 1970 charger 383 4bbl..what engine color?
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V08 paint=trim and vinyl roof edit waiver.Doesnt that code mean vinyl top delete?
Nope. V08 means it was not a recommended color combination.
A vinyl top was an option, so it could not be ordered, then deleted, that would be silly.
Thats enough on the vinyl top issue...It doesnt have one and lets leave it at that 
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Re: 1970 charger 383 4bbl..what engine color?
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The Sport Satellite posted earlier is a four speed (D21) A/C (H51) ECS (N95)car. So what carb does it have? I'd REALLY like to see the BS on that car.
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Re: 1970 charger 383 4bbl..what engine color?
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1970 Plymouth Sport Satellite 383 4-Speed w/Air - This car is fully documented with the original build sheet, Window sticker and additional documentation. The car was ordered by a Chrysler Executive named E.F. Franks and was built on last day of production. 7-15-1970, and was a factory field car.
I'd bet (I am in Vegas, you know) it should have:
383 manual - E & B-body - with ECS (N95).......... orange HP engine 335hp
---------- Holley R4217-A ----------part number 3418 537 on b'cast 37
do you think the carb is still there?
what's "a factory field car"?
How old is that ad & who has the car now?
the service manuals show differences for automatics (w & wo/AC) - (w & wo/ECS) - (w & wo/N96)
Maybe...but how do you resolve that with the white book listing A/C manual tranny cars as engine assembly 084 being a 330 horse blue engine? Shouldn't that have a Carter?
I think it's odd that none of the sources list a carb for the manual A/C combination when it was available.
Again, if that car is legit, I'd really like to see the BS for the engine assembly and carb numbers.
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Re: 1970 charger 383 4bbl..what engine color?
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What color would a '70 383 4bbl be in a '70 charger? Im thinking street hemi orange?
It depends.
What transmission? With or without A/C? Do you have the original carb? If yes, what is it?
I dont think you understand the question 69 Coronet,he is just wanting to know the engine color of the 383-4bbl.Im pretty for sure its hemi orange.But cant gurantee.I know I have seen pics of some of those cars with blue engines in them,but didnt pay attention to what they were,more like a 318,could have been a 383-2bbl.car.If you dont get a direct answer here head over to www.1970chargerregistry.com and ask them,they will for sure know,and register your car there while you are at it.Chris
Chris, He understands the question just fine. Hopefully this thread has now educated you as to the fact that N code 383 4bbls could be blue or orange depending...
Doug, Dan and Barry know there stuff and frankly I doubt you'll get a more definative answer anywhere else.
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Re: 1970 charger 383 4bbl..what engine color?
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Here's the Cliffs Notes version; Michael's question was answered: orange, although the correct answer could not be determined by the amount of information in the 1st post and the N code on the VIN doesn't tell us the answer...  Dave
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Re: 1970 charger 383 4bbl..what engine color?
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I respectfully agree and disagree. The initial question provided all the necessary information to answer the question, assuming you were familar with 70 Chargers. The 383 4bbl engines in 70 Chargers were the high performance versions, not the regular 383 4bbl ones that may have been found in other models. These engines were orange, not blue. The 383 2bbl engines in 70 Chargers were blue. So....the answer is ORANGE. Nothing to do with carbs, ECS, alignment of the moon or anything else  On other cars the info suggested may or not hold true but on a 70 Charger that is the correct answer.
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Re: 1970 charger 383 4bbl..what engine color?
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I respectfully agree and disagree.
The initial question provided all the necessary information to answer the question, assuming you were familar with 70 Chargers.
The 383 4bbl engines in 70 Chargers were the high performance versions, not the regular 383 4bbl ones that may have been found in other models. These engines were orange, not blue. The 383 2bbl engines in 70 Chargers were blue.
So....the answer is ORANGE. Nothing to do with carbs, ECS, alignment of the moon or anything else On other cars the info suggested may or not hold true but on a 70 Charger that is the correct answer.
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Re: 1970 charger 383 4bbl..what engine color?
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The 383 4bbl engines in 70 Chargers were the high performance versions, not the regular 383 4bbl ones that may have been found in other models. These engines were orange, not blue. The 383 2bbl engines in 70 Chargers were blue.
I think what some have been trying to show is the above is not true.
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Re: 1970 charger 383 4bbl..what engine color?
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I respectfully agree and disagree.
The initial question provided all the necessary information to answer the question, assuming you were familar with 70 Chargers.
The 383 4bbl engines in 70 Chargers were the high performance versions, not the regular 383 4bbl ones that may have been found in other models. These engines were orange, not blue. The 383 2bbl engines in 70 Chargers were blue.
So....the answer is ORANGE. Nothing to do with carbs, ECS, alignment of the moon or anything else On other cars the info suggested may or not hold true but on a 70 Charger that is the correct answer.
And I, on behalf of those of us that actually research the answer instead of repeating what is incorrectly published in numerous books and internet sites, respectfully disagree.
Which engine assembly a car actually recieved had everything to do with transmission and A/C or not. The factory produced only certain combinations of assemblies based on whether or not the car needed a torque converter or clutch and whether or not the car had A/C. There were also certain restrictions as to what assemblies went into which models. The year to year specifications changed too i.e no HP A/C automatic assembly appears until 1970.
The H or N VIN letter or E62/63 sales code number had nothing to do with the actual engine assembly the car recieved.
The only way to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt and document which 383-4bbl engine came in a car is via a Broadcast sheet or Lynch Road fender tag.
The last time I checked with Chris at the registry, there were at least three known engine assemblies for 70 Chargers. Not all are HP assemblies.
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Re: 1970 charger 383 4bbl..what engine color?
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The 383 4bbl engines in 70 Chargers were the high performance versions, not the regular 383 4bbl ones that may have been found in other models. These engines were orange, not blue. The 383 2bbl engines in 70 Chargers were blue.
I think what some have been trying to show is the above is not true.
There are also some that believe the world is flat. It isn't.
If you asked me a question about 66 Chargers I'd say go to 66 Charger guys who eat, breath & sleep 66 Chargers...what do I know about them beyond basic info...they're the experts, if I was asked about Challenger T/As then Barry is the man. And so on and so on. Every model and year has it's unique nuances.
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