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05/22/09 06:57 PM
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Hi , this going to sound like some dumb questions but I jusyt switched over to mopar from ford. Standing at the front of the car looking at the dampner does it rotate clockwise or counterclockwise?? Which way does the distributor rotate ?? Firing order on a big block?? And lastly how are the cylinders numbered?? thanks

Re: engine rotation [Re: 471b1dart] #325857
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The engine turns clockwise , the fireing order is 18436572 , the drivers side is 1357 , pass side 2468 the dist turnes clockwise

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Thank you for the info

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The engine turns clockwise , the fireing order is 18436572 , the drivers side is 1357 , pass side 2468 the dist turnes clockwise





uh...the distributor turns COUNTER CLOCKWISE!

on big blocks anyway...remember, you need to spin your drill in reverse to prime the motor!


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Sorry fella thought big and small blocks were the same, my bad

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Sorry fella thought big and small blocks were the same, my bad




Yea, they're not. that's why one is a small block, and the other is a big block


yea, when you're standing at the passenger fender and look down, the distributor will spin counter clockwise, and #1 plug wire should be at the "top" of the distributor somewhere, depending on where the timing is set (I say top since it's at an angle... coming out of the block...the terminal closest to the driver side of the engine if you want to think of the distributor as being "vertical"


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Remember,front mounted distributer turns Counter clock wize,rear mounted distributer turns clock wize.

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Remember,front mounted distributer turns Counter clock wize,rear mounted distributer turns clock wize.


On Mopars anyways


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Remember,front mounted distributer turns Counter clock wize,rear mounted distributer turns clock wize.


On Mopars anyways




unless we're talking about a twin engine big block mopar boat, in which case, one of those big blocks will have a distributor that spins clockwise

but that might get confusing to the OP!

yes, your distributor in your car goes counter clockwise!


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Remember,front mounted distributer turns Counter clock wize,rear mounted distributer turns clock wize.


On Mopars anyways




unless we're talking about a twin engine big block mopar boat, in which case, one of those big blocks will have a distributor that spins clockwise

but that might get confusing to the OP!

yes, your distributor in your car goes counter clockwise!


Not juts on the twin engines Chrysler marine motors, some of the BB and SB where reverse rotation in a single engine boat according to one of the boat mechanics I know


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Remember,front mounted distributer turns Counter clock wize,rear mounted distributer turns clock wize.


On Mopars anyways




unless we're talking about a twin engine big block mopar boat, in which case, one of those big blocks will have a distributor that spins clockwise

but that might get confusing to the OP!

yes, your distributor in your car goes counter clockwise!


Not juts on the twin engines Chrysler marine motors, some of the BB and SB where reverse rotation in a single engine boat according to one of the boat mechanics I know




I suppose it's possible, they probably weren't supposed to be, but if they're making reverse rotation engines for boats with twin engines, then you've got them on the assembly line...you're gonna use them at some point, just to get them used up, so it's possible there's some single engine boats with reverse rotation motors on them.


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The industrial 413 I just picked up is reverse rotation.

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Remember,front mounted distributer turns Counter clock wize,rear mounted distributer turns clock wize.


On Mopars anyways




unless we're talking about a twin engine big block mopar boat, in which case, one of those big blocks will have a distributor that spins clockwise

but that might get confusing to the OP!

yes, your distributor in your car goes counter clockwise!


Not juts on the twin engines Chrysler marine motors, some of the BB and SB where reverse rotation in a single engine boat according to one of the boat mechanics I know




I suppose it's possible, they probably weren't supposed to be, but if they're making reverse rotation engines for boats with twin engines, then you've got them on the assembly line...you're gonna use them at some point, just to get them used up, so it's possible there's some single engine boats with reverse rotation motors on them.





A boat I'm currently looking at buying has a single reverse rotation 440 in it. It has the motor mounted backwards at the stern and uses V-drive. The same hull was also used on another model with a standard rotation motor mounted forward at mid ship and uses a straight drive. The reverse rotation motor on the V-drive boat allowed the mfg to use the same propeller on both models.
Most twin engine models do have one of each to neutralize torque steer.

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Most twin screw boats turn the props outboard < left side turns left and right side turns right> Some OEMs do this with trans gearing <2 left hand engines and the right side has a counter rotating gear> The older engines tend to turn the right engine backwards,Lots of single screw boats can turn ether way, what ever engine shows up at the time of installing, some boats have offset rudders which require the engine to only turn one way to help with the torque steer most dont.Now if I only had 30 years on race engines instead of boats I wouldent ask you guys so many questions

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My Machinist tells a story about a 440 he built years ago. Customer kept having main seal problems, they went over it several times and finally ended up taking a really good look at the crank. Turns out the crank the customer brough him was from a reverse rotation 440 and the little grooves(for lack of a better term) that help keep oil off the rear main were backwards and were forcing oil torwards it. New crank and it was fixed...talk about a nightmare .


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My Machinist tells a story about a 440 he built years ago. Customer kept having main seal problems, they went over it several times and finally ended up taking a really good look at the crank. Turns out the crank the customer brough him was from a reverse rotation 440 and the little grooves(for lack of a better term) that help keep oil off the rear main were backwards and were forcing oil torwards it. New crank and it was fixed...talk about a nightmare .




Yep. Had a customer who made the mistake of exchanging a rebuilt engine, turned out his was a reverse boat engine. Long story, he finally got ready to fire it and I went over to "help." knew nothing about 312 Fords, or the fireing order, so I was "walking" the timing around using the valve closures. I suddenly realized that no cylinders made any sense as to valve closures and compression. He finally got the right cam installed, but somewhere out there is some poor farmer with a Y block Ford, that leaks oil out the rear seal because it's a left hand crank

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The opp rotation mopars had a nice gear to gear cam drive , it turned the cam in normal rotation for the oil pump, seen a few guys over the years install the wrong turn starters and make a mess of things trying to get it running

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The opp rotation mopars had a nice gear to gear cam drive , it turned the cam in normal rotation for the oil pump, seen a few guys over the years install the wrong turn starters and make a mess of things trying to get it running


The reverse rotation engines cam turned the opposite rotation( R/H) but the cam & shaft gear was cut differently to keep the pump spinning the correct direction for the oil pump. I pulled a rh 440 out of my boat & went with a L/h truck 360 magnum..







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