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Re: Just how far south must someone go to find rust free? [Re: ruderunner] #3188953
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Originally Posted by ruderunner
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El Paso Texas but without dark tinted glass the interiors take the beating.


Interior replacement is a weekend project. Not so much for frame repair.


Just stating from experience, I have had seven cars I've gotten from El Paso and drove six of them back to Ohio. The interiors were shot in five of the seven. The other two had dark tinted windows and still some interior issues taken care of in a weekend as you state. Rust free is always better than dry rot free up grin


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Re: Just how far south must someone go to find rust free? [Re: BloFish] #3188969
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BF has it there.... Go west to the land of low humidity in many many areas. My cars i my shop do not rust. I leave bare blocks and cleaned crankshafts in the open and some I dont touch for three years and its not a problem.

Many do not understand that relative humidity is a big factor in a car rusting. I see from 2% to 15% most of the year... look up Alabama/Mid-Texas and 80% in not uncommon a good bit of the time.



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Re: Just how far south must someone go to find rust free? [Re: Mr PotatoHead] #3188982
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One of my friend's is a,transmission man. I see all kinds of cars on lifts at his place with no rust.
The car I bought new in 2008 was on his lift few months ago 99.9% rust free.
For and easy oil change on motir, and trans service. Plus minor maintinace but looked whole car over. It was spotless


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Re: Just how far south must someone go to find rust free? [Re: moparmarks] #3188993
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Re: Just how far south must someone go to find rust free? [Re: moparmarks] #3189004
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Yesterday I was 30 miles from the Ohio River in way southern Indiana and saw one rusted in places I have never seen rusted in around here, I have 2 that I want to go see next weekend if they don't sell... About equally as far south one on either side of the Mississippi. Both 03s both similar miles both similar money. Neither a 318/360 both 4.7 which is the one thing I wasn't wanting, the other one is I'm trying to avoid buying another white one as I have 3 vehicles that color now.

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Originally Posted by moparmarks
My 98 Dakota with 285,000 Colorado miles on it

I got rid of a 99 Dakota with only about 140k on it because the frame was going bad right behind the gas tank, at the front spring hanger where the 2 sections of frame overlap and are riveted together.
I've always disliked 4 door vehicles and when we've had them I've designated them as my "wife's car".
I've always hated the 4 door pickups since they switched and basically made all of them 4 doors since the late 90s. The beds are too short to be useful, and they are out of proportion, almost cartoonist looking.
We had 1 kid but now have 2 grandkids, and with safety seat rules as they now are we need something we can fit 2 of them into, so my hands are kinda tied right now about not having a choice but to have a 4 door with enough space to accommodate them. If I gotta have a 4 door a Durango doesn't look as out of whack as the trucks if that timeframe do.
I wish Dodge had made something more in line with the size of the Tahoe.
I've never owned anything but a Dodge (or a jeep) and not looking to change that yet.
I WILL NOT have a Toyota or a honduh or Hyundai or Kia in my driveway. No way no how.
I wouldn't mind another Dodge B van but as the wife says "but they're not 4wd" and she refuses the idea of the minivan

Re: Just how far south must someone go to find rust free? [Re: volaredon] #3189008
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If you really want car bodies in the best conditions, you need to get 100 miles west of the Mississippi River, stay 100 miles east of the Pacific coast line, and 75 miles from any city with a population of over 75,000. Some of the best I've seen were from the western high plains, (CO, ND, SD, WY, MT). Unless they are near a large city (or along the Interstate), they don't salt the roads, and the heat isn't as high as going south from there where the sun bakes the interior.

Most anything east of the Mississippi River lives in pretty high humidity areas. You would need to get south of the rust belt, but stay north of the salt air, and west of the Appalachian mountains (80+% humidity). It is a pretty small band. You would stand a better chance going west into Iowa/MO then going south or east.

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Originally Posted by volaredon


I wouldn't mind another Dodge B van but as the wife says "but they're not 4wd" and she refuses the idea of the minivan


They did make 4wd B vans. Saw one in Midland for years. Had a bud with one, 440 powered, though I think that one was re-engined.

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The pathfinder van charger was a factory approved conversion.

Re: Just how far south must someone go to find rust free? [Re: volaredon] #3189030
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Volaredon - I used to be in the rust-free parts business from 1984-1995. We hit wrecking yards & bought musclecars from the "prime" areas - I could write a book on it, & I might some day.

That being said, typically speaking, you do have to go South & Southwest to really find the good rust-free areas. There are trade-offs though for rust-free. You'll find vehicles where the interiors are SHOT. I'd say best areas for decent interiors & rust-free are Los Angeles & San Diego areas - but not right on the ocean - and a vehicle that was either garaged or under a car port most of the time. Georgia, Alabama, parts of TX., parts of OK.

*I'll be in San Antonio for a few days on business in early December. Let me know what years Durango you are looking for & I'll see if there are any interesting listings in the area while I'm there. PM me your info.

Thanks, -Eric

And there was a video posted earlier about Krown rustproofing. IMO, Krown is a total joke - it's like spraying canola oil on your vehicle. It literally rinses off within weeks of being applied. Look at the specs - it's nontoxic, & has no petroleum distillates in it - it's vegetable oil. I had two vehicles rustproofed by Krown in Sarnia, ON. The stuff does not set-up or cling to anything - it attracts no dust or dirt. BEST undercoating of all time was Texaco rustproofing formula. Not available from Texaco anymore.

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About nine years ago I bought a '99 Durango for parts. The roof was RUSTY as the guy worked near the coast (near Monterey, CA) and parked under a canopy that half covered the Durango. He also worked nights. That metal awning would drip salt water mist all night long...Our GTS spent a couple winters on a car lot in Detroit, but the front fenders acquired a little rust from living in San Francisco and Sunnyvale (that and the tree debris sitting at the bottom of the fender behind the wheel opening). Also had rust in the quarters in front of the wheel openings due to the convertible top drip rail dumping there.

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Originally Posted by Sunroofcuda


And there was a video posted earlier about Krown rustproofing. IMO, Krown is a total joke - it's like spraying canola oil on your vehicle. It literally rinses off within weeks of being applied. Look at the specs - it's nontoxic, & has no petroleum distillates in it - it's vegetable oil. I had two vehicles rustproofed by Krown in Sarnia, ON. The stuff does not set-up or cling to anything - it attracts no dust or dirt. BEST undercoating of all time was Texaco rustproofing formula. Not available from Texaco anymore.


Krown is thin stuff and Ive had it sprayed on a brand new car and most of it dripped onto my parking spot, but their claim is if it doesnt drip, it doesnt work, meaning it wont creep into all the nooks and crannies. IMO the best under spray is a product called Corrosion Free formula 3000. It does not drip, is thick, clear and has no odor. Ive had it done twice to my 2006 4x4 but I did Krown this year for the creep factor and the fact it makes rust fall off too. Any oil spray in the fall is a good thing.


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I have a '12, dodge 1/2 ton as well, that Ive had 2 years and still owe 2 years. paid the 2nd most for it, as any vehicle I've ever bought//, most expensive was my 97 wrangler back in Y2k. only by $1000 though.... I racked my brain and tried to figure out just exactly what is (was) the best undercoating currently available that I could apply myself (I do have my own 2 post lift) here at home. Many seemed the same as the others just "rebranded" and i don't like the idea of the rattle can "rubberized undercoating" that's been around basically forever/ because of how it gets brittle and cracks off.

I even considered using some of my own drain oil and a pump up garden sprayer as I'd heard of Canadian oil and lube places doing just this for years.

Probably because its all over Saturday Morning "rebuild a rustbucket into a show car in a 1/2 hour" cable TV shows, I decided to try that NHOU stuff. They say for the first time expect to use 6 qts on a full size pickup, I used 10. and then yearly inspection/ reapply as needed. I soaked the inner rockers, pulled the plastic wheel well liners and soaked there, and pulled the taillights so I could soak between the inner and outer bed walls. When I had it up for maintenance a couple months ago most was still there., I didnt drive it at all last yr in the salt, I have a 4wd 96 dakota that's already crusty beyond hope to take that abuse. but I was glad to see its holding up pretty well so far, haven't lost much of what I applied. but yeah I had drips for a while from the pinchwelds, between the taillights and body, etc. What I wanted to do but havent yet is to pull the door panels (door "cards") and the access panel on the tailgate and soak those areas. I also blew out a bunch of leaves and such from areas such as the front fender doglegs while I was at it. I can definitely see how those areas are some of the first to rot out.

I dont know yet if I did the truck any good but I sure didnt hurt it. NHOU says to avoid the undercarriage wash at the local car wash, but it hasnt seemed to have removed much of what I added.... they claim it cleans up with water and Dawn dish soap. I just know I didnt have to "wear" it as I do when I pull out the POR 15....
I hope that doing "something" turns out better than had I not done anything..... I should have enough left (about a 1/2 a 5 gallon bucket worth) to do the same to whatever vehicle I wind up buying.

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Originally Posted by volaredon
I have a '12, dodge 1/2 ton as well, that Ive had 2 years and still owe 2 years. paid the 2nd most for it, as any vehicle I've ever bought//, most expensive was my 97 wrangler back in Y2k. only by $1000 though.... I racked my brain and tried to figure out just exactly what is (was) the best undercoating currently available that I could apply myself (I do have my own 2 post lift) here at home. Many seemed the same as the others just "rebranded" and i don't like the idea of the rattle can "rubberized undercoating" that's been around basically forever/ because of how it gets brittle and cracks off.

I even considered using some of my own drain oil and a pump up garden sprayer as I'd heard of Canadian oil and lube places doing just this for years.

Probably because its all over Saturday Morning "rebuild a rustbucket into a show car in a 1/2 hour" cable TV shows, I decided to try that NHOU stuff. They say for the first time expect to use 6 qts on a full size pickup, I used 10. and then yearly inspection/ reapply as needed. I soaked the inner rockers, pulled the plastic wheel well liners and soaked there, and pulled the taillights so I could soak between the inner and outer bed walls. When I had it up for maintenance a couple months ago most was still there., I didnt drive it at all last yr in the salt, I have a 4wd 96 dakota that's already crusty beyond hope to take that abuse. but I was glad to see its holding up pretty well so far, haven't lost much of what I applied. but yeah I had drips for a while from the pinchwelds, between the taillights and body, etc. What I wanted to do but havent yet is to pull the door panels (door "cards") and the access panel on the tailgate and soak those areas. I also blew out a bunch of leaves and such from areas such as the front fender doglegs while I was at it. I can definitely see how those areas are some of the first to rot out.

I dont know yet if I did the truck any good but I sure didnt hurt it. NHOU says to avoid the undercarriage wash at the local car wash, but it hasnt seemed to have removed much of what I added.... they claim it cleans up with water and Dawn dish soap. I just know I didnt have to "wear" it as I do when I pull out the POR 15....
I hope that doing "something" turns out better than had I not done anything..... I should have enough left (about a 1/2 a 5 gallon bucket worth) to do the same to whatever vehicle I wind up buying.


Disregard any claim from them for "good for 18 months" etc. Paint it with oil every fall. Nobody thinks of it now, but it sure feels good when its a salt fest in Dec-March

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Nobody thinks of it now, but it sure feels good when its a salt fest in Dec-March


Around here and a lot of the rust belt it's Nov-April and sometimes it's Oct-May for the salt fest. As mentioned, if you're part of the school bus route you get it five school days a week and several times a day.

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i just got done helping a good friend replace the forward shock/gastank crossmember on his 2012 chevy pickup.
what a crusty mess that thing is underneath !
luckily, that crossmember has a round through hole just in front of the rear tires, and a piece of 2" water pipe [price that stuff lately ? eek] fit perfectly, and the bed didn't need removal.
however, the rest of the frame is toast, has been fixed before, and the body is needing repair as well.
he said he thinks he might start oiling the underneath, but i told him he has waited WAY too long for that, and he should either trade it for a new truck or car ASAP !
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Originally Posted by moparx
i just got done helping a good friend replace the forward shock/gastank crossmember on his 2012 chevy pickup.
what a crusty mess that thing is underneath !
luckily, that crossmember has a round through hole just in front of the rear tires, and a piece of 2" water pipe [price that stuff lately ? eek] fit perfectly, and the bed didn't need removal.
however, the rest of the frame is toast, has been fixed before, and the body is needing repair as well.
he said he thinks he might start oiling the underneath, but i told him he has waited WAY too long for that, and he should either trade it for a new truck or car ASAP !
beer


I have a '96 Ford F150 that came from Oregon 16 years ago. Was zero rust when I got it....Now, its REAL crusty underneath and the body is falling apart. Michigan will do that to anything, even if not used a bunch in the winter.


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Moved from Michigan to East Tennessee in 2007. Got tired of the cold winters and salt destroying my cars. Since moving here my cars have zero rust. I only visit family in Michigan in the summer. Wife’s 2008 Jeep has 120,000 miles on it and the undercarriage still looks like new.



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The thought of spraying oil all over my truck's undercarriage just makes me cringe. I sure love living on the west side.
I bought both of my Dakotas from the Denver area. No rust, nice interiors and good paint. Best of all worlds.



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