My son is thinking of selling my old 1970 Challenger R/T that was gifted to him from me for a graduation gift in 2007 and I bought it in 1979.. The 4 Speed and Dana are factory to the car but when I pulled the engine to rebuild it the numbers don't match.. The engine is a 1970 440 HP but not original... I do not have a build sheet either. Does have the door sticker, Dash Vin tag and the fender tag, .radiator stamp and cowl and trunk lip stamp.. Car has been parked for a long time but every year I start it and take it around the block.. Tires have turned to Junk so I haven't taken it around the block this year but have started it and it does run. It's not a SE or a T/A even though it has those factory parts on it. It also has some cracked out rear fender flairs not factory, it also has a broken tip of the Speedo needle .. This car was restored in 1988 but not back to stock but to the way I cruised in on 15th and 16th downtown Denver back in the day. I have put around 10,000 miles on it since 1992 on this car. The top has bubbles under and around the rear trim.. Trunk floor pans and floor boards all around are solid, and frame rails are solid. My son is trying to buy a house here in Colorado is the reason for selling it and he's not in a hurry, will move it before March if it will help him buy a house.. If I wasn't retired I would buy it back from him.. I will get some good images of it tomorrow.. But here are a few.. Looking obviously as much as he can.. Tell me what you think.

Here are a couple more images..

WOW!! F440HP 0E114203 is in a friend's (former 318) '70 Sport Satellite - [Maxwell Smart]missed it by that much[/Maxwell Smart]

do you know the VIN on that block?

So how many V02 R/Ts are on record?
Bet not many were U codes.

I'm thinking this one was customer spec'd.

Neat car as originally spec'ed .
black painted top, luggage rack, Super Trak Pak, 4 spd.

Was dash replaced at some point? Looks like rivets holding VIN plate on.
Tag appears original.

As is condition, assuming it's pretty much rust free, and won't take much to get roadworthy I'll kick in a WIW of $40K.
Do you have the original hood or any other parts?

Rare car. I’m thinking 50k. SE window, but not an SE…..wierd.

50-60

What do you guys think the fender flare does to value?

it's a cool car...I love U-code Challengers.
But, I just don't see $50k
If you just take care of a few things and enjoy it, that would be fun.

A restoration is going to open a can of worms with as much as the car has been tweaked and modified over the years.
Vinyl top and window added.
Spoiler and hood added.
Repaints...

just my 2 cents

Benefit! I'd add wide Cragar SS wheels and some fat Mickey Ts and call it awesome!

Running and driving, $40k and I have two buyers lined up for it.
Cosmetic restoration would bump it up to $46k.
Full suspension rebuild, engine detailing, cut n' buff would bring $53k.
If it was an auto, I would offer up all my projects for sale and put it back into hibernation.

Yeah, I bet there are 2 buyers lined up for it a 40K!
I bet there are a whole lot more! Hell, I'd be in line at $40K!

I'm thinking a bit higher. I wouldn't be surprised by 60s or 70s.
Sorry, a running driving E body 4 spd Dana U code?
Yeah, a lot more than 40.

Serious question-
What would this car bring if it was restored to OE Gold level status by some bored money-is-no-object collector?
-1 No buildsheet because LA assembly
-2 Wrong block

Would it hit 6 figures?

I must have something "Wrong" with me. When i look at cars for sale i think of what i would need to do with it past what the average joe does. I have some new in box High Jackers. A,Summit Racing discount code for some Cragar 5 spokes, new set of M-T tires. Lots of #600 3-M wet/dry sand paper. Rolls of 3-M fine line tape, House of color silver and gold candy base. Some gallons of clear. And my buddy stocks many colors of Kandy concentrate colors. And ya can mix them together as well to save a few bucks. He did a car all striped up like 1976 a year ago. Wow was it cool. He has done them since way back. Lots of ultra fine to sand the clear when buffed out. Lots andvlots of interior, exterior and engine bay detail stuff and a 26 year old son with lots of time on his hands.
Someone else buy that car please.......

I think the way it is currently...$55-$65K... more with some work.

I have sold 2 70 U Code 4 speed 4.10 Dana Number matching Challengers in the last couple years.
An FE5 and FC7 car.
They were pretty nice cars, not restored but repainted and kept up.

I know cars have gone up some but I think 40-45K tops unless someone really had to have it.

Just my opinion.

Agreed. may have change the pad when it was restored. If all else is there minus t the build sheet, I'd pop the windshield a nd fix that issue lickety split.
Fender flares gotta go IMO

Just and FYI: That steering wheel thing is useless, a hacksaw will go right through that wheel in less than a minute.

The math on this stuff is kinda perverse. Go shopping with 90-100k and you can get some really sweet stuff. Cars with way more than that spent on them.

Take a car like this. It will take metric tons of money to restore. Yet I can see a guy that wants one ponying up 50-55k, despite the fact it would be waayyy cheaper to buy the 90k car already done. But maybe that guy will enjoy it as is with some tlc and general clean up.

It’d be worth spending the time or paying the money to get the paint looking the best it can, and probably some tires. Anything you can do to make it a real driver will bring out the wallets. Videos are a must these days, that’s just the expectation now.

50k is my guess.

Well I'm back with some more info and images.. After getting a good look at the car today it is in need of 2 quarter panels as this car deserves it. If some one out there is missing there numbers matching engine and this is it please reach out to me.. The Dash tag has never been off the car, and it has some glued on carpet as the dash is cracked around the speaker. I installed the rear SE plug many a year ago so that is how it got there.. I would like to thank all that have posted up with their input, no mater what. The car is what it is.. Also noticed that someone placed the jack on the K frame and the oil pan.. So it has a bend in the pan.

Powering steering gear box leaks..

Here are some images of the car in 1978.. Like you said Cragars and Fat Meats out back.. You know I think it even had thrush mufflers on it...

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Serious question-
What would this car bring if it was restored to OE Gold level status by some bored money-is-no-object collector?
-1 No buildsheet because LA assembly
-2 Wrong block

Would it hit 6 figures?
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I think the restored value is 70 to 80. The burnt orange interior and wrong motor will hold it back. Even at 40k the math doesn't work out if you do the restoration yourself. As is probably 40-45k

I don't follow E bodies


But the biggest problem I see is the crowd who wants it is getting old.

Imo. Projects are a very hard sell unless dirt cheap in today's market

I saw this happen to 57 Chevies. When I was a kid they were selling for $30k Challengers were $500 to $3500.

The people with money were older and could afford the cars the wanted as a kid. As they died off the prices for the 57 Chevies stagnated as their cars were sold by their kids for less and less just to get rid of them. Challengers skyrocketed in price.

Right now there are several 57 Chevies around in good condition in the $30 to $40K range because the people that want them are disappearing fast. Challengers are starting to drop in price now.

Some will say they aren't dropping but when they were worth $40K a few years ago when bread was $2 and a Hyundai was $25K Now bread is $4 and Hyundai's are $80K and that same Challenger is around $40 to $50K it is effectively a price drop. IMHO

As for the Challenger above it is out of my price range but I would love to have it. Fender flares and all.

IF money was no object for me and it was relatively rust free I would go $50K but I may be off the market price.

For every guy who says its too high there is always the next guy with money to burn. Its always been this way. Ive never lucked into a good car in the last 25 years or so its been always pay for the right car or the next guy will. 1980 was a long time ago when we used to buy these for very little. Not new info here though.

With all here with newer SRT-s how much value dropped the first day off the lot with that first mile? .... money to burn.

Thanks.

I agree with the 40k number as is. U code 440 Magnum cars seem to have fallen through the cracks as far as values are concerned. The should be right in the middle between a 383 car and a 440 Sixpack car, but they are closer in value to a 383 car than a V code 440 Sixpack car. The 4 speed and 4.10 Dana are a big plus, but the interior and exterior colors, ,non matching engine,as well as the mods will hold the car back. 40k still isn't bad for a non matching car that needs restoration.

It’s ok, not everybody is a MoPaR expert, so you’ll learn the value of these cars once you get enough experience.

For comparison :

70 Challenger 440 4 spd B5 For Sale

Thats a pretty nice looking car from the photos.
Its been for sale for a while at 75K
What do you think you would have in the OP's car to get it to the level of the Blue car..........

A lot more time and $ than I would spend that's for sure.
Easier to buy a nicely done car, enjoy it now, and IMO in a better color.

That B7 car was mine and I restored it.
I would happily buy it back if I could/had space!
Very nice car.
I sold it in the early 2000’s, but the past 2 owners have been very good to it.

The last 11 cars I sold in the past two years went to people 19-35 years old. In fact, I wish I had more project cars because a lot of kids want to build stuff recently. I get a lot of youngest calling for parts and tech, which I am glad to help out.

Nice job on the resto.
How involved was it? A total basket case or a clean car to start?

You are correct! No argument from me!
Trying to figure values on this old stuff is worse than herding cats!

"You are correct! No argument from me!
Trying to figure values on this old stuff is worse than herding cats! "

Agreed! Especially in the last few years.
Prices are all over the place.